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2020.09.04 19:02 MuntyMunt1 After a lot of frustration I formed Rome in 1937

After a lot of frustration I formed Rome in 1937
Ugh

This was the most Annoying thing I've done. The run took 2 hours, required good micro and perfect attention all the time
Here's the strategy if you have an afternoon spare, I guess

I'm playing regular difficulty and on Historical , no ironman as this was a test run that went very well.

Firstly set up your armies in africa how you normally would, but put either Balbo or Soddu on the Northern Front and Prasca on the South
Your first national focus should be ethiopian War logistics but don't begin it yet
Set up your production as I have in the picture below
https://preview.redd.it/8lishf4ij5l51.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=ba39c2504d51b4a6b7c76be5c5358f8b37048960
Cancel all heavy ships and cruisers, finish the light ships and then produce subs and put 2 dockyard on convoys.
Merge your navy and send all your planes (other than the naval bombers) to africa.
Make civilian factories in Latium and Emilia Romagna and mils in Tuscany and train 9 new infantry divisions

Unpause and wait until you have 47 pp (I hope you haven't picked a focus because this will take twice as long if you have) , justify on Malaya, don't pick a focus yet either, since your justification will not progress. wait until you have 12pp and then pick ethiopian war logistics
do the invasion of ethiopia as you like, ensuring that you finish it by the 20th June at the LATEST, this is becuase you need to do triumph in africa as your third focus otherwise you'll be under 50% stability.
When your done in Africa, move all you african troops to the border with France
Join the axis immediately after ending the war and move the rest of you soldiers to wilhemshaven.
Prepare naval invasions on all the folling places
Hull (assign 6 divs to this one)
the province south of Hull (assign 4 divs to this one)
Dieppe and le havre starting at portsmouth
Calais and Dunkirk starting at Dover
Brest and Bordeaux starting at Plymouth
Halifax and Quebec starting from Newfoundland

Why are you starting naval invasions from provinces you already own? it's Simple it's beacause when the time comes to use these, they'll have been 'preparing' in the background so you don't have to wait to launch them speeding the hell up quite a bit.
Convert all your colonial divisions in all your armies to infantry and train them up to level 3 (shift and K) Train 19 colonial divs. as well and put these guarding ports in mainland Italy
Move your and planes fleet to wilhelmshaven whilst you wait for the justif. to finish on the 16th September (if your's is later than this date, consider restarting as you've wasted precious time)#
Here's a picture for the setup if your confused, or like pictures
https://preview.redd.it/al2mwc2un5l51.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=0976c066b4a0032630eb0179b3c0fca675aaee42

the minute 1:00 on the 16th September comes around you need to declare war on malaya, set the naval invasions to go, begin a justif. on France and put your fleet on invasion support. DON'T call Germany in, for any of these wars ever, they'll just take land
Now here comes the difficult bit for me because I don't know the specifics of what the AI are going to do in your run so I can only offer guidance for this bit. So here's my attempt at that
When you land bring over ALL your troops, ignore any out of supply alerts. your 3 tasks should be to take liverpool and the other northern cities, cutting the UK in 2. moving in on Birmingham, Bristol and Plymouth and Taking London, Dover and Portsmouth. Your troops can defeat british divs but be wary about how many there are try and micro your way around and encircle them

Here's another pic so you can compare your progress to mine.
2 weeks after war dec.
After Uk has Capitulated Take everything in the peace deal and satellite Raj and malaya, now on to France

France is a bit tricksy, sometimes there easy to Cap., other times, not so much. this time they were easy, consider reloading to restarting if they're probing too difficult to manage.
the minute you declare on france justify on Belgium
When invading France you need 8 divs on you Dieppe landing and 2 on your Calais landing, the Bordeaux and Brest ones are a backup.
When you land in France move all but 2 of your divs to the dieppe landing, leaving 2 for the backup. also attack with your southern army
Rush for Paris, Rouen, Amiens and Lille this should be enough to capitulate them.
train 12 new shine INF divs. now by the way and send your northern army to Newfoundland along with some ships

Now for the part of the guide I like to Call Exploit Central, What we are going to do is take all the Balkans in a peace deal without conquering any of them
So you should have your justif. on Belgium done immediately beigin one on LUX and the netherlands, attacking them when their respective justifs are done NOT all at once.
when the justif. on HOL is done begin one on Switzerland, this is going to be the hardest contry to defeat by the way as you will need to Cap. them

when the justif. on Switzerland is done justif. on the following nations in this order#
Yugoslavia (guraenteed by Czechoslovakia
Hungary
Greece (guarenteed by Romania
Bulgaria
and Turkey (make sure to have some troops on Rhodes by the way)
Portuagal
also increase the size of your Coat guard to about 24 divs
You'll only need to cap FRA and Canada to win this war, which is where the exploits come from

attack them as soon as you have defeated the swiss
Now we're going to offer sacrifice. you remember those twelve troops we made earlier, right? Well setup an naval invasion on Thessaloniki with 6-8 of those divs and anther one with the remaining troops on Porto. When you land in Greece push as far inland as you can, what we're doing here is getting ROM and HUN to fight us so they'll be in the peace deal.

Now at some point you may have Germany declare war on Yugoslavia, if this happens to you in a ironman game, it's game over, if your in a regualr game reload and hope they don't do it again. I don't know what causes this but it doesn't appear to happen all the time.

Here's a pic so you see my progess and any Nav. invasions
Wow, that a lot of red

Now I need to jump back a little bit so I hope you haven't been following this as your playing.
If you've figured out what you need to do with Canada then ignore what I've just typed but for the rest of you, this is what you need to do with CAN
when you soldiers from FRA have arrived, set them to naval invade both places, when they've landed micro you way around CAN's divisions and snake you way into all there victory points right up to Vancouver, However you might not want to take Vancouver just yet because you need to get some more justifs wait until you have all the ones you need

Anyway after Justifying on all those nations stated above you'll need to justify on a few more nations, these ones though are gonna wait until were done with the balkans and FRA
These nations are in order
Anarchist Spain
Austria
Republican Spain
Nationalist Spain
and Iraq
You can Cap. Canada the day you BEGIN the Iraq Justif as it doesn't matter then whether or not you're at war
in the peace deal with the allies you can take everything as long as you aren't going to play after 1938
If you are playing pas '38 then you'll need to liberate Moldova from Romania and Give them the sudetenland this is to prevent the Soviets and Germans from attacking you before you're ready.
other than that take EVERYTHING in the peace deal
Here's a pic so you understand what I mean
so Now it's time for clean up
attack Austria and iraq and justf/ on any Balkan nations that escaped the peace deal (like Hungary did for me)
Attack all spanish nations when any one of their justifs are about to expire
you'll need a good micro here as well since you'll suffer from unplanned offensive just like all other SCW participants for some reason but keep pushing, explout any gaps and rush their VPs. when all but one SCW participants are alive the unplanned offensive debuff is removed as well as all the small divs , so it's free real estate.

and bam Rome in 1937, for me anyway, you milage wil almost certainly vary. also end me
10,000 good boy points for rome please!!!11 :D
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2020.08.27 16:20 NAFUTSAL Futsal Registration Coming Online Soon for Fall Activities

Are you thinking about playing futsal here? You must have heard of it by now. It’s the new, multi-sport, multi-activity Johnson Legacy Complex (JLC). Take another look:
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Online registration is being setup now, today, to allow you to sign up very soon for one or more of the following fall futsal activities:
  1. Both futsal courts will be used from 5:30 to 7:30pm on Fridays Sept. 11 thru Oct. 23 plus Oct. 30/31 for:
a. FUTSAL ACADEMY. Youth futsal academies, which include futsal specific coaching and playing futsal with a referee to facilitate games. Only $60/player for entire 6-week academy. Free t-shirts.
b. FUTSAL TIME. Single hour sessions of youth playing futsal with concise teaching of the basic futsal rules and a referee to facilitate games. Only $55/team.
c. INDOOR TIME. Single hour sessions of youth training by a team-provided coach on a futsal court using provided futsal balls. They may play futsal or just do speed, agility, etc. training. No referees provided. Only $30/team.
d. ADULT PICKUP GAMES. One to two hours adult pickup futsal games in any time left over from youth activities. $5/player for 1 hour, $10 for 2 hours. Discounts available.
e. FUTSAL PLAY DATES. Possibly games between Huntsville futsal teams and Birmingham futsal teams, if there is interest. $40/youth team; $50/adult team.
f. Prices above are introductory prices. Expect prices to go up some in the spring.
  1. FALL FUTSAL TOURNEY. Called “All Hallows Edge” Futsal Tournament, a quick, two-day, shortened-half set of games for just two or three youth divisions on Friday and Saturday, Oct. 30 & 31, Halloween. Registered participants in Futsal Academies get to participate at no additional cost. Others may register at a cost $195/team. Teams who register for the subsequent winter season get a large discount for this tournament. More info at www.nafutsal.com/More/Tournaments/
NOTE: All NAFL activities will follow the league’s COVID-19 Preventive Actions Plan viewable on nafutsal.com at http://www.nafutsal.com/News/Id/51100.
Youth futsal academies, games, and tournaments are now sanctioned by US Youth Futsal (USYF)
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2020.08.19 19:22 stefan-west1 A bit disappointed

First of all I’ll fully admit I’m only a few hours into this game and so haven’t tried every aircraft etc.
There’s no denying that the graphics in this are stunning but for me that kinda seems to be it. I don’t know if I’ve got something set up wrong or what but everything only seems to KINDA work. And it’s really bugging me.
A few things I’ve noticed so far:
747: Autopilot has a complete mind of its own. On an arrival into LAX, descending out of 10,000 for 5,000 in VNAV and LNAV, FMS setup correctly, the thing decided to start climbing at 20° pitch for no apparent reason.
Flap speeds on the PFD seem to be a bit all over the place when on an approach
TBM: Startup, for some reason, following the POH to the letter, when starting, going to low idle at NG above 13%, NG rises to around 60% but no matter what the ITT goes nuts up to around 1400°. Going to flight idle causes the engine to die. Only way to fix is momentarily jumping to maximum thrust and then back to flight idle.
Airports: Now my local town I live in is almost perfect, as are the surrounding villages, however I have found some of the airports to be awful. For example EGBB Birmingham, the default airport in X-Plane is fairly accurate just a bit of date, and as far as I remember so is the default airport in FSX, however in this half the terminal seems to be missing, and the surrounding land is dead flat despite the 20ft hills the surround the airport, now I appreciate that this is AI designed so not perfect, but I’ve found smaller airports to be much more accurate.
Despite having the latest data, some airports seem to wrong entirely, specifically in this case EGHQ Newquay. This still shows as an old air base which it hasn’t been now for around 12 years!
Again most of my issues are probably something I’ve done wrong, so if anyone knows how to fix these please let me know and I’ll happily give them a try
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I did, in fact, fat-finger post this right after finishing the Yukikaze bit.
Spoiler warning: long-but-important foreword.
You don't need me to tell you, again, that the way WG sells the cosmetic stuff (commanders, camos) is pretty much targeted towards whales and that asking more for the camo set than what I paid for Death Stranding last weekend is completely ridiculous. Other people on this subreddit have told you about that already and they're completely right. It is ridiculous.
I remember buying the Hood commander (I am a card carrying member of the HMS Hood Association so I sort of had to) for about a tenner during the first collab. This being a gateway drug into AL itself aside, I felt like that was a fair price. Unless you're this invested in AL and also drowning in money, I wouldn't recommend getting the whole set of commanders and/or camos.
THAT SAID, other people have laid out why this monetisation scheme is silly already. WG is selling the ships and new camos separately this time around, and we're here for the ships. The title says weeb ships. Talking about the actual ships here, not the girls.
This is going to be closer to my short form reviews I did with the French destroyer event because I'm still trying to get my head back into the review game a bit. I should've put this into the afterword.
If you're just going to bitch about how much you hate anime, find a different thread. Let people enjoy the stuff they like. I implore you.
Without further ado-

BOATS

Including the two ships from the last event in this because like... why not, I guess.

Tier VIII - Yukikaze

Full disclosure that I played this thing only a handful of times after the live testing period ended, nanoda. She really confronted me with the fact my torpedo marksmanship fizzled to dust and blew away in the wind in the last year or so, nanoda.
I'm not doing this speech quirk bullshit for much longer. Nanoda.

The good stuff

  • I think I'm traditionally supposed to start with the main battery. That would usually spell rather bad news for an IJN DD, but they got buffed a while ago...
  • Which means that Yukikaze's 6-gun 12.7cm broadside hits pretty hard! 2.1k (and change) HE alpha is more than German 15cm guns get (lol) and if you use these in an ''ambush predator'' sort of way instead of a ''close range knife fighting HE DPM face melt'' sort of way, they can do work.
  • We're long past the days of an IJN DD being able to strip mounts off USN DDs on the first salvo though, unfortunately.
  • Like her shells, her torpedoes also hit really hard. The high torpedo alpha is a crown that IJN destroyers mostly still haven't relinquished, and with the current FOTM destroyer line launching warp speed pool noodles, this is a real niche they still sort of have.
  • Seriously, approximately 21k torpedo damage before saturation/TDS modifiers is nothing to sneer at, and being able to put 8 of these on target gives Yukikaze a wallop that's... matched by essentially the entire IJN torpedo destroyer line from tier 8 and up...
  • I'm trying so hard to find good things to say about Yukikaze nanoda
  • IJN destroyers do keep their concealment crown, and 5.4km surface concealment and 2.5km air concealment (when you turn your AA off, as you really should do) are very respectable even in this day and age. It at the very least gives Yukikaze a good buffer for launching torpedoes when she does actually find a victim.
  • The camouflage looks really, really nice, with a nice set of colours and a cute bow on the... bow. Do you get it?

The bad stuff

  • Boy oh boy.
  • Nanoda.
  • IJN main battery alpha comes with the huge caveat of ''their rof is fucking garbage''. There are more destroyers that don't have 3-4s rof in the game by now, but 6.3 seconds(!) at tier 8 is just really, really slow. You're not going to be winning knife fights with these rather lethargic guns.
  • They also turn really slowly, and with four of your six guns being sat on your ass, getting guns on target can be a somewhat awkward proposal.
  • Her maneuvrability is perfectly middling, with a perfectly middling 35 knot speed (which is in cruiser and some BB realms nowadays) and a perfectly middling 640m turning radius all adding up to something... really average. Average is not a good thing to be for Yukikaze, nanoda.
  • There was a time where having 76 knot-speedy torpedoes would qualify this ship as a cruise missile launcher. With European destroyers showing up with their equally fast (and sometimes even faster) torpedoes, Yukikaze's F3s have lost some of their shine.
  • What really hurts them more than some Swedish dweeb sticking hyperdrives to pool noodles, though, is that setting up torpedo runs within 8km from your target is not something that can be consistently done in current year.
  • This is compounded by Yukikaze having really shitty AA to dislodge planes that latch on to her with (to the point you should really, really, really just keep it turned off unless a plane squad is almost directly over you already, anyway)...
  • ... and her rather paltry HP pool of 15.1k meaning she'll wither away rather quickly under fire.
  • I guess in this sense she is true to her AL counterpart (except her AL counterpart gets some really good skills and evasion to make up for it, which will not save her here).
In conclusion, Yukikaze is basically a Kagero with F3s. That's the tl;dr. Unless you think the girl (and her accompanying camo) are just that cute, I can't recommend getting her, simply because it's furiously difficult to get mileage out of F3s nowadays.

Tier VIII - Montpelier

The worst Cleveland, especially in a world where Biloxi and Birmingham exist. Fight me.

The good stuff

  • There isn't any.
  • What do you mean I can't make this review solely about how much Montpelier sucks?
  • Okay then.
  • Montpelier is a Cleveland, and with this comes all the boons of having a Cleveland's main battery.
  • What I mean by that is the IFHE nerf did very little to stop tier 8+ light cruisers being the absolute DPM monsters they've been for the last few years, and merely made them rather less burny. I still firmly believe in IFHE for cruisers at tier 8 and over, and Montpelier is no exception.
  • 12 USN 6'' guns capable of penning 37mm of HE plating (and thus the all-important 32mm threshold) with a 7s reload time adds up to fairly devastating amounts of HE DPM and will absolutely melt poorly plated battleships and everything else into slag before long.
  • Even if you don't believe in IFHE anymore (which is perfectly valid, given there are a great many ships that have decent plating, too) Montpelier still boasts enough HE pen to melt any lower-tiered battleships and pretty much every cruiser short of Russian supercruisers, with a 12% base fire chance to make angled battleships regret every choice that has led them to this point.
  • All of this compounded to trebuchet arcs that make it childishly easy to sit behind an island and absolutely fucking ruin someone's day. Like Cleveland, Montpelier is nasty (not in that sense though, stop).
  • wowsft and gm3d tell me she has .15 better sigma than Cleveland. Wow!
  • One of the funny bits of USN cruiser protection schemes is that there's a very notable ''step'' in their already fairly low citadels, which puts roughly half their citadel volume firmly below the waterline. While broadsiding stuff isn't quite as legit a strategy as with like, Smolensk (Monty is rather fat for a CL), battleships will sometimes struggle to make damage stick on you.
  • The AA is... alright, I guess...? Same and lower-tier carriers are likely not going to want to stick in your AA for a long time, and if some nerd in a carrier does smack into your flak you can really rip some decent chunks out of squads. You're just not really a no-fly zone.
  • The 660m turning circle radius is nice, I guess?????
  • 11.5km base concealment (you get a free permoflage with this, I'm considering it base) is really, really good for a CL. With all the bells and whistles, Montpelier's concealment drops down to a very, very respectable 9.3km surface concealment and an okay 5.8km air concealment (which actually means you can kind of AA trap planes).
  • Montpelier is a little fatter than her older sister (get fucked), with a 37.5k HP pool. Neat!
  • She also has the usual US CL toolbox at her disposal; 9km half-a-minute radar, hydro, DFAA, the works.
  • As much as I dislike Montpelier, the special camo looks kind of nice. It's flashy (more flashy than the Yukikaze one), but the colour palette is good and the angry vein thing on the bow is a fun touch. Too bad Montpelier still sucks.

The bad stuff

  • It's Montpelier, which we've firmly established is the worst Cleveland.
  • As punchy as the main battery still is in current year, she actually punches a little less hard than Cleveland, with her guns taking half a second longer to reload than her big sister's guns. Poor Monty, forever in the better Clevelands' shadows.
  • The trebuchet arcs are a fantastic boon for firing from the safety of islands, but also make it furiously difficult to nail fast, small ships (like destroyers) at longer ranges.
  • She has a big ol DP secondary battery that is completely useless for doing another other than making pretty fireworks. I figured I should at least discuss the smattering of 5''/38 guns once, but they're really not very useful against ships.
  • Apart from their tendency to let battleship shells right through, Cleveland hulls are super flimsy. The lack of citadel armour coverage means the vast majority of these ships consists of 25mm plating, which gets absolutely fucking melted by most 6'' HE and up, and heavens forbid a battleship gets a good salvo against your angled ship. You will die. Hard.
  • I tried making a Die Hard reference since I love those movies but my brain was not cooperating. Sucks.
  • 32.5 knots base speed is really pretty bleh for a cruiser, especially now that even some battleships can outrun you. Montpelier isn't a particularly good kiting ship as a consequence, and will very likely suffer in open water.
  • Montpelier sucks. I will not budge. If you're a Montpelier fan, fuck you. That's rude but also I don't care. How can you prefer Montpelier when Biloxi exists???
In conclusion, she's a Cleveland with slightly more HP, slightly better accuracy, and slightly less DPM. This doesn't add up to anything particularly flashy, but Cleveland herself isn't a particularly bad ship, and I'd actually recommend Montpelier even to the non-weeb; she's basically a premium Cleveland, which isn't a bad thing to be.

Tier VIII - Littorio

Lord forgive me, for I'm about to thirst.
I'm going to do a bit less bullet point recap here because I already wrote a Roma review that you should really just read instead of a shitty tl;dr. It's old and a bit dated, but most of it still rings true.
Littorio is, rather disappointingly, a Roma clone. There was a version in testing I'm not sure I'm allowed to discuss, but we all know about it and how much more interesting it would've been than a Roma clone.
Thirst time: AL Littorio is hot. I love how they shoved the ''chauvinistic, womanising Italian'' stereotype into her (I get to say this, since half my family is Italian) and I really, really, really like her base design.
The camouflage they put together for her is really good, too, being a lot more lowkey than the Yukikaze and Montpelier camos, with some tasteful touches and references to Littorio herself. The problem is, though, that she's just a Roma clone to the point they didn't fucking bother to model the different bow.
I can't recommend her if you already have Roma, as a consequence. Maybe if she was... different and interesting, but as it stands, no. Just no. What a disappointment.
If you don't have Roma and wanna pick her up, and you like AL, well, why not? The camo is cool and Littorio could break my spine over her knee if she wanted to. Awooga.

Tier IX - Sovetskaya Rossiya

Tall ice mage battleship mommy. Soyuz hull. Mmmmmmmmm.

The good stuff

  • It's a Soyuz with regular battleship accuracy.
  • Alright, alright, since you're twisting my arm here, a more detailed recap of tall ice mage battleship mommy...
  • A well-known feature of Russian ships in general is, well, railguns. This has a whole host of implications for Rossiya.
  • For one, with AP alpha being a function of muzzle velocity (MV) and shell weight, Rossiya has really punchy shells, lagging only slightly behind USN superheavy AP with 13250hp worth of dick punching potential.
  • High muzzle velocity also means higher penetration. USN AP actually outpens Rossiya until about 6km or so (surprisingly), but after that she massively overtakes her American counterpart. Rossiya retains enough pen to smash any battleship's belt out to pretty much her max range.
  • And, finally, high muzzle velocity has the rather natural boon of being quicker to get on target, which makes it substantially easier for tall battleship mommy to push some kiting dweeb's shit in in hopefully spectacular fashion.
  • This is both a plus and a minus, but Rossiya uses regular battleship dispersion and not the good-at-short-range-but-less-good-at-long-range Soviet dispersion curve. She plays more like a traditional battleship as a consequence, with a playstyle that takes after sluggish, large battleships like Izumo as a consequence.
  • The true star attraction with Rossiya (as it kind of is with Soyuz as well) is just how durable she is.
  • This is gonna need some EXTRA BULLET POINTS. Rossiya is drowning in protected volume, with a tall incremental belt more than thick enough to keep out lesser battleship guns at sufficient range, and a 60mm upper hull and midships weather deck... which is just enough to shatter all cruiser HE, except some really specific IFHE builds that nobody runs anymore.
  • There's a 220mm belt extension to make her ends a little tougher to HE spam, too. The Soyuz hull is deviously HE-resistant as a consequence of all this, and overmatching AP only really has the bow and stern to go through.
  • The superstructure would ordinarily be a ripe target for HE spam, but Rossiya's superstructure is a lot narrower than the actual profiel would have you suspect, with a significant chunk of it being taken up by the secondary battery and directors.
  • The TDS backs up all this durability, with 35% damage reduction, which is really funny because Soyuz actual had the Pugliese system (bad) except inserted backwards (worse).
  • Rossiya does get the Soviet flavour damage control, which reloads faster at the expense of being limited in usage.
  • Once again, the camo looks really good. As with Littorio's, it's a lot more lowkey than the second collab's camo colours, dominated by greys and whites, with stark white and light grey turrets and some glowy blue bits on the bow. It's a really snazzy, slick looking scheme and I like it a lot.

The bad stuff

  • You may have noticed the good stuff list was dominated by all the cardinal elements of a battleship; firepower and durability.
  • Yeah that's because that's the main things Rossiya offers.
  • The turrets are sluggish (unlike Soyuz actual's). They're not the slowest in the game by any stretch, but 4deg/s base rotation speed is just... not very good.
  • The dispersion curve means she actually has worse dispersion at short and middling ranges, which... yeah.
  • For all her tankiness, Rossiya does share one (frustratingly uncommon) trait with her line comrades: her citadel rises up above the water. It isn't as tall as her belt suggests, and there's a Bullshit Void of Slightly Less Bullshit behind it, but she is not citadel-proof by any stretch. Any prolonged periods of showing broadside are liable to be followed by some battleship feeding you shit by the spoonful.
  • The ship itself is insanely sluggish. 28 knots is on the low end of battleship speed (she's not one of the battleships that's going to outrun Montpelier) these days, and the turning circle is enormous.
  • Bonus: you get the as-designed hull without the gimped rudder shift. Downside to this bonus: your AA is pretty shocking for the tier, and for some reason Rossiya gets the base hull HP (80.9k).
  • Unlike what the shipgirl suggests (tall majestic ice mage), Sovetskaya Rossiya the ship is a big brute, with little in the way of subtlety, nuance or agility, and some decent firepower and a lotta durability to compensate. Sort of. She tries.
  • She is such a big brute that she has atrocious base concealment, sitting at 16.2km. With all the bells and whistles, this bottoms out at 13.1km, which is not very good for a slow battleship with something of a tendency to fall apart when showing broadside.
In conclusion, Sovetskaya Rossiya is essentially an A-hull Soyuz that loads slower, has regular dispersion, and doesn't have the gimpy rudder shift.
Does this all add up to a worthwhile variant of Soyuz herself? Well... No. The camouflage looks good, but Rossiya feels awkward and clumsy, and while her playstyle is oriented to that, she isn't really going to set the world on fire. She's not bad, but unless you're really invested in the girl (can't blame you), she is not worth the hefty pricetag she carries.
This was a fun little writing exercise. I've been a bit out of it, with... a lot... happening after I wrote the Warspite thing for Horsey's birthday. I didn't feel it was right writing reviews after that, but here we are. I want to move on from all of that and get back to enjoying writing (as I was planning to do with the Warspite review) and trying to enjoy a game I still love dearly. I've had more than enough negativity this year to last me the rest of the decade, and I want to refocus on the things that I enjoy, that make me happy. Writing is still one of them, and it's about time I found a rhythm in it again.
This review may have been a bit of a mess, I realise, but that's all part of the Vaexa Review Experience:tm:; inconsistent messes that I write more-or-less without any sort of plan, totally on a whim. Wouldn't be me if it wasn't a clusterfuck.
If you've read the whole thing, congrats. I hope you enjoyed it. If you don't like anime and still enjoyed it, congrats for having an open mind. If you like Montpelier and didn't enjoy it, good. That's a joke, I shouldn't be too harsh. It's all just friendly ribbing.
As a final footnote, please don't shit up my review with ''anime sucks'' or ''wg's monetisation sucks''. People are allowed to enjoy whatever media they like, even if that's weeb shit like Azur Lane. It's fucking obnoxious to shit up threads with how much you hate weeb shit.
As for the second bit, we know WG's monetisation sucks. I fully agree with that sentiment, and I really wish they'd go back to offering items individually, but alas, just blow me down. Fuck.
As always, thanks for reading! If there's any funny markup, grammar or spelling errors, let me know and I'll fix it. <3
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2020.07.15 18:04 daprice82 Wrestling Observer Rewind ★ Jul. 1, 2002

Going through old issues of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and posting highlights in my own words. For anyone interested, I highly recommend signing up for the actual site at f4wonline and checking out the full archives.
PREVIOUSLY:
1-7-2002 1-14-2002 1-21-2002 1-28-2002
2-4-2002 2-11-2002 2-18-2002 2-25-2002
3-4-2002 3-11-2002 3-18-2002 3-25-2002
4-1-2002 4-8-2002 4-15-2002 4-22-2002
4-29-2002 5-6-2002 5-13-2002 5-20-2002
5-27-2002 6-3-2002 6-10-2002 6-17-2002
6-24-2002
  • Bret Hart was seriously injured in a bicycle accident in Calgary last week. As of press time, Dave has very little info. Hart was thrown off the bike and flipped over the handlebars going at a high speed and landed on his back and hit the back of his head. Over the next couple of days, he's undergone a number of tests due to issues he's had since the accident. Bret was forced to retire 2 years ago after he suffered a serious concussion during the Starrcade 99 match with Goldberg and it's believed the fall may have aggravated the issues he's had since then. Hart is expected to be hospitalized for at least a week and has little movement on the left side of his body and can't see out of his right eye. He's also suffering severe back pain, though x-rays and scans haven't shown any physical damage to his back. That's all Dave knows right now. (Much more on this next week, obviously).
  • After a year of questionable decision-making, Vince McMahon made his most questionable decision yet when he announced the surprise re-hiring of Vince Russo. It's a shocking decision for lots of obvious reasons, not the least of which is most of the wrestlers either outright don't like him or at the very least, don't respect him. And many front office employees feel even more strongly about him. Not even Stephanie McMahon, who is the head of creative, knew Russo was coming back and she was just as blindsided by the news as everyone else. It's believed the deal has been in the works for a few weeks. Russo had owned a CD store in Marietta, GA but he sold the store recently. He also stopped submitting ideas to the Jarretts for TNA a couple of weeks ago. There's also the fact that Russo's lawsuit against Hulk Hogan over the Bash at the Beach 2000 incident is still pending and now they're in the same company again, although Dave suspects the legal issues must be wrapped up for Russo to take the job (Turner was still paying his legal fees so long as he didn't work for any other wrestling company, which is why everyone was denying his involvement with TNA). Another rumor going around is that Russo is planning to write a tell-all book about his time in WWF and when word about that got out, the company rehired him in an effort to squash the book. Dave thinks that might be believable if Russo was just hired and stuck in a closet somewhere. But he was brought back in a key position in the creative department, which means that likely wasn't the reason (or not a big part of it). Most likely, it's exactly what it appears on the surface: Vince McMahon is getting desperate and he's going back to what worked in the past.
  • When word got out about Russo's hiring, needless to say, everyone was shocked and, as you'd expect, it was an overwhelmingly negative reaction. The plan for Russo on day one was for him to be in control of the creative team, answering only to Stephanie McMahon. The next day, those plans changed after McMahon, Russo, Stephanie, and the rest of the writing team had a big meeting. There's been multiple stories about what happened during the meeting. One version of the story is that Russo's ideas were so bad that he pretty much buried himself with everyone immediately. Another version is that Stephanie pretty much buried all his ideas and shut him down. And yet another version is that Russo obviously hadn't kept up with the product and was unfamiliar and out of touch with many of the characters and ongoing storylines, and that soured Vince McMahon on him. Regardless, the result was the same: the very next day, Russo was no longer part of the creative team. Word is he has already been sent home and will be brought back if/when they need ideas, as sort of a consultant on retainer. Officially, his role now is to critique the TV shows and report back to Vince McMahon what he thinks. So he's basically paid to be a critic and tell McMahon how he would do it better. Anyway, that's the story for now. Dave runs down Russo's history in the business, how he came into power in WWF, jumping ship to WCW with no notice, where he proceeded to help kill the company and all the drama that happened there (can't wait for that one Vince Russo superfan that always accuses me of lying about him to chime in on this one).
  • For the record, one of Russo's big ideas for TNA's debut was taking the Shane Twins and dressing them up as giant penises and calling them the Big Johnsons. Thankfully, when the show aired, the announcers downplayed the "penis" aspect of it a lot, leading Russo to tell friends that the idea flopped because the commentators didn't sell it hard enough. Just in case you're wondering what Vince Russo is bringing to the table in 2002.
  • WWE's King of the Ring is in the books. For the first time since Wrestlemania, it was a legit sellout on PPV. And sucks for them because this was a pretty blah show. Undertaker retained the WWE title over Triple H in a bad match that was hampered because Undertaker is banged up in general and Triple H came into the match with an elbow injury. 2 days after the show, he underwent elbow surgery to remove bone chips, one of which was embedded in cartilage and had caused his arm to lock up. He was nowhere near 100% during the match, but if he had been, Dave suspects they probably would have put the belt back on him. But for now, they stuck with Undertaker. They did a post match angle to set up Rock vs. Undertaker vs. Triple H at Vengeance, assuming Triple H is ready by then (he was not).
  • The biggest story of the PPV, in Dave's opinion anyway, is the Kurt Angle/Hulk Hogan match, in which Angle beat Hogan clean as a sheet by submission. Dave gives Hogan credit: he didn't treat this like Kidman. Hogan put Angle over as strong as he possibly could. Dave believes it's the first time in Hogan's entire career that he lost via submission as a babyface. He did have a few submission losses as a heel (once to Inoki in NJPW in 1981 and a handful in WCW during the NWO era) but that's it. If he had any as a babyface, it would have been before 1979, before he was a national name. Whether this ultimately springboards Angle into a certified top guy that fans take seriously remains to be seen, but Hogan did everything he could. Probably didn't help that, as soon as the match was over, Angle put his goofy wig back on, at a moment that should have been used to turn him into a serious threat. But regardless, nobody can fault Hogan here if it doesn't get over.
  • Other notes from the PPV: Jericho vs. RVD in the opening match was easily the best match on the show. Lesnar got loud "Goldberg" chants and Dave thinks he sold way too much for Test, especially since the rumor is Lesnar is being groomed for a Summerslam main event with Rock. Nidia in her hillbilly gimmick with Jamie Noble was great and Dave thinks they might have something with Nidia and this gimmick. Ric Flair vs. Eddie Guerrero was.....not what you'd think. Dave has seen Flair drag talentless hacks to great matches for 20 years but somehow, Flair vs. Guerrero was a drag and should have been better than it was considering the two men involved. Two all-time greats just had a misfire somehow. Molly won the women's title from Trish and Dave thinks this whole storyline where they claim Molly is fat is insulting to probably every single female viewer they have and a lot of the males too. A backstage segment with Rock, Goldust, and Booker T was the most entertaining thing on the show. Lesnar won the King of the Ring tournament by beating RVD in a nothing match. And of course, the main event, which was an overbooked mess with two guys who probably didn't have any business wrestling that night anyway.
WATCH: Goldust/Booker T/Rock backstage segment at WWE King of the Ring 2002
  • NWA-TNA's debut show is in the books! Actually, so is their second show because it was a double-taping. And buckle in because we have a metric fuck-ton of TNA news to cover. Overall, it was a well-received debut. A lot of the young wrestlers were hungry and some of the old guys worked like they had something to prove. Guys like Konnan and Buff Bagwell looked the best they have in years and many of the people who worked the show said this felt like the real deal (many of those same people had worked the recent WWA shows and saw those as paid vacations, nobody took it seriously). Scott Hall, said to be the highest paid wrestler in the company ($3,500 per week) didn't do anything special but he got by far the biggest reaction and, according to all accounts, was sober and professional. There were about 3,000 fans in the building, but only 400-500 were paid. More than 10,000 freebies were given away around Birmingham the week of the show, but the crowd they got was actually a good, active audience, so it worked. Mike Tenay on commentary was great and full of knowledge, though Ed Ferrara playing heel announcer was useless. Don West was enthusiastic as hell, but knew nothing about the product. Regardless, he knows how to work a camera and he took charge of the commentary booth and Dave thinks he did fine in the role and will only get better. Ricky Steamboat was there, giving an emotional interview and putting over the NWA title. Ken Shamrock won the gauntlet battle royal (basically the same thing as a Royal Rumble match) to win the title, beating Malice (former WCW wrestler The Wall) in the final match after they were the last 2 left in the battle royal. There's been talk of doing a Shamrock vs. Don Frye match to try to catch some of that crossover UFC/PRIDE audience, but Dave is doubtful it'll be a draw here like it is in Japan.
  • What else? Country music star Toby Keith did a series of angles with Jeff Jarrett and Keith was by far the biggest star to the live fans. Keith got involved in the battle royal and eliminated Jarrett. NASCAR drivers Hermie Sadler and Sterling Martin got involved in a racial angle with K-Krush (R-Truth) using a bunch of "your kind" and "my kind" talk and Dave thinks that was pretty pathetic. The company was hoping all this celebrity involvement would get them some mainstream publicity but it got practically none. They brought in a bunch of women, most of whom were total unknowns except for ECW's Francine, Electra, and former WCW valet Daffney under the name Shannon, and their battle royal on the second show was said to be awful. The whole event definitely had a southern/regional feel to it. The opening match of Jerry Lynn, AJ Styles, and Low-Ki vs. Jorge Estra, Sonny Siaki, and Jimmy Yang was the show-stealer and was better than most of the matches in WWE this year.
  • Now the bad news: TNA was under the impression they had Dish Network cleared to air their show, but no dice. They don't have Cablevision in the U.S. either. For a company that needs to draw 50,000 buys a week to break even without a corporate sponsor, that's extremely bad news. They're also losing their Canadian PPV after the response to the debut show was said to be lackluster. At press time, InDemand has allegedly told TNA that their debut show did 80,000 buys but preliminary numbers are always drastically higher than the final result, so it'll almost certainly be less than that (for example, InDemand's number for WWA's first PPV was originally 40,000 but later got revised to 15,000). In WWE, they don't take any PPV numbers seriously at first because the thought is any numbers you hear within the first 2 months of the show are always wrong, the final tallies take time to come in. Regardless, even if this show did well, the more important question is how will they be doing in 4-5 weeks when the new has worn off?
  • Despite TNA claiming they aren't even interested in TV and are 100% committed to running exclusively on PPV, that's obviously not true. They have already struck syndication deals in Nashville and Chattanooga and are actively working to get a national television deal. The problem is that, as you can tell by looking at WWE ratings over the last year, the business is in a sharp decline, meaning the TV industry isn't chomping at the bit to give TV deals to some new startup nobody company. But anyone who understands the industry knows they have no chance of surviving on weekly PPV alone so getting on TV sooner than later is going to be essential to TNA's survival. The local syndicated deals they struck will mostly be hype shows with interviews and highlights designed to drive viewers to buy the weekly PPVs. Dave lists, like, 10 different promotions that have folded over the years in part due to the costs of paying for television.
  • Tons of TNA news in this issue which brings us to the debut "Random TNA News & Notes" section! Here we go: Bert Prentice will be working with the company and will no longer be running his own weekly shows in Nashville. There will be a one-night tournament at the next show to crown NWA tag team champions. Fun fact, those belts are currently held by The Shane Twins, who now wrestle in TNA as The Johnsons, doing the aforementioned masked penis gimmick. They'll be in the tournament even though they were already the champs in their previous gimmick. But the titles are being vacated and they will crown new ones.
  • We ain't done with TNA news. The dark match of the show featured a 450 pound dude named Cheex who is basically ripping off Rikishi's gimmick of doing things with his big ol' ass. And in case the ass gimmick and the "Cheex" name wasn't clear enough, he's being managed by a woman named Brown Eye Girl. So....yeah. If this ain't Vince Russo, I'll eat my shoe. Anyway, during the dark match, because Cheex is so big, the ring broke. As the show was going on the air live, the ring crew was frantically struggling to fix the ring, which is why it felt like they were stalling so much for the first 15 minutes. Because they were. The ring breaking also caused them to not be able to do the second dark match they had planned. Both matches were being taped to air on next week's show.
  • Actual notes from TNA's debut show (I'm gonna divide this into multiple paragraphs because there's a lot): it opened with some pyro, which is meant to make them look major league, but everyone else always looks minor league compared to WWE's huge pyro show every week and this was no exception. No graphics or details on any of the wrestlers, which is a mistake considering so many of them are complete unknowns to most fans. Started with a bunch of legends coming out to put over the NWA title, including Ricky Steamboat cutting one of the best promos of the year in any promotion and Dave thinks they need to hire Steamboat and put him in an on-air role as a commissioner or something ASAP. Jeff Jarrett cut a promo saying it was stupid to crown a new champion in a battle royal. Way to bury your own main event 10 minutes into your debut show, especially since most people also agree that it's a pretty dumb way to do it. But they still did. Then Ken Shamrock and Scott Hall came out and they both cut promos and they also shat on the battle royal idea, leading Dave to worry already that this company hasn't learned anything from WCW's mistakes. As mentioned earlier, the opening match easily stole the show. Next up was a little person match, with the jobber actually being referred to as "an enhancement midget." The Shane Twins did the penis gimmick, but as mentioned, it was severely played down from the original idea as conceived by Russo.
  • More notes from the show: They brought out a bunch of women for a big segment and Dave, who spends his entire life watching wrestling, didn't know half of them. And even if he did, it wouldn't matter because there were no graphics to name any of them and even if there had been, the cameras were often showing the wrong woman when a name was announced. Anyway, among them were Francince from ECW (who Dave is worried about because she looked sickly thin), Shannon (formerly Daffney in WCW), Alexis Laree (better known years later as Mickie James), Elektra from ECW, Taylor Vaugn (formerly Barbara Bush in WWF), Erin (who was a finalist on Tough Enough season 1 but got booted from the show before production started because other contestants saw her out on a date with one of the judges and they complained and got her kicked off), and some others. At least one of the no-name chicks was a stripper they hired specifically for this show because they needed one more woman to make 10. Anyway, this all led to the expected brawl with Elektra getting her shirt ripped off to show her bra. It wasn't even that risque. If you're trying to use sex appeal to draw viewers, the worst thing you can do is be less risque than WWE is on free TV when you have the luxury of PPV (give em a few months and we'll get actual nudity on this show). Alicia Webb, formerly known in WWF as Ryan Shamrock (and who is dating Ken Shamrock in real life) was playing a prostitute collecting money from referee Mark Johnson.
  • Even more notes from the show: the NASCAR guys got a bigger pop than any of the wrestlers. K-Krush came out to confront them about not being real athletes and they did the racial angle. Brian Christopher got involved and funny story there, they were debating whether to use the last name Christopher, or his real last name of Lawler. Nobody told the announcers which it was gonna be so Mike Tenay kept using "Christopher" while Ed Ferrara kept using "Lawler." More WCW-level shit. Toby Keith performed. The gauntlet battle royal to crown the new champion featured Buff Bagwell, Prince Justice (later becomes Abyss), Konnan, Rick Steiner, Scott Hall, Jeff Jarrett, etc. Toby Keith ran in and suplexed Jarrett, causing him to get eliminated because why not? Chris Harris, Vampire Warrior, Steve Corino, and more. And when it got down to the last two, it became a regular match and Shamrock beat Malice to win the title with Steamboat as the special referee.
WATCH: NWA-TNA' s debut PPV (Full Show)
  • So that's the notes from the debut show. Are we done with TNA yet? Not by a long shot. They taped a whole second show, remember?! It hasn't aired yet so Dave hasn't seen it so here's the scarce details. The crowd started filing out after the first show ended and kept leaving as the second one was going, to the point that Jeremy Borash and Bert Prentice had to get on the mic and beg everyone to stay and then moved a bunch of people to the hard camera side so there wouldn't be visible empty seats all over the place. Lenny Lane and former WCW star Kwee-Wee were put together as a gay tag team called Rainbow Express, managed by Joel Gertner, and kissed each other instead of tagging each other to swap in and out during the match, which got a lot of heat because Alabama. A 9-woman battle royal (guess they didn't let the hired stripper actually work) to crown Miss TNA resulted in a bunch of women getting stripped half naked. They did a 4-way elimination match to crown the X-Division champion which was won by AJ Syles in what was said to be easily the best match of either show, with even Harley Race going on record later to say it was one of the best matches he'd ever seen. But by then, there were very few fans left in the building. And that is finally it for TNA news for now. Whew.
  • PRIDE's latest show is in the books and once again featured pro wrestlers drawing the crowd. NOAH's Yoshihiro Takayama replaced Mark Coleman in the main event (out due to injury) against Don Frye, leading to last minute interest from wrestling fans that packed the house. Frye defeated Takayama in what many are calling the best fight in the history of PRIDE. Takayama has had 3 fights in PRIDE and has lost all 3 of them, but all 3 of them were also show-stealing outright wars that, despite losing, has grown Takayama into an even bigger star. Afterward, Frye hinted at retiring from MMA and returning to NJPW full time. Dave hasn't seen this fight but it was described to him as "something out of Dragonball Z or a comic book" the way they were just throwing bombs at each other, with the crowd going insane (yeah the opening minute or so if this fight is absolute madness, video below). The show also featured Bob Sapp vs. Kiyoshi Tamura, which was a total mismatch. Tamura is a skilled MMA fighter, but Sapp outweighed him by literally almost 200 pounds and the fight was over in 11 seconds, with Sapp basically murdering him. Dave says it's clear they're trying to turn Sapp into a huge unbeatable monster psychopath and it's working. But Dave thinks it's bullshit to put fighters this mismatched against each other in real shoots. It was funny though because after what happened in Sapp's K-1 fight a few weeks ago, they made some new rules like no knees and no kicking a downed opponent, which is fine. But they also announced other rules for the fight, such as no flying sentons or splashes off the top ropes, which have never been done in an MMA fight and is utterly ridiculous (If Cormier doesn't hit Miocic with a Canadian destroyer at UFC 252 next month, what's even the point?). Another NOAH star, Takashi Suguira, lost a split decision with Daniel Gracie and Suguira had several NOAH wrestlers at ringside cheering him on. And of course, Antonio Inoki came out at intermission and did his catchphrase.
WATCH: Yoshihiro Takayama vs. Don Frye - PRIDE
  • UFC made its TV debut with a half-hour segment on Fox Sports Net's "Best Damn Sports Show Period" which featured a full Robbie Lawler vs. Steve Berger bout, as well as highlights of other fights. "Fear Factor" host Joe Rogan did commentary with Mike Goldberg and Jeff Osbourne. They aired several warnings during the show, but the violence ended up being far less brutal than most average boxing matches. The show drew a strong crowd and there's talk that this may become a regular thing on the network. They also hyped the planned Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock fight for later this year and Dave thinks TNA would be wise to get the NWA title off Shamrock before the fight, because he's going into it as the underdog. Plus, Shamrock would likely not want to risk injury or spend time flying to Nashville every week during the last few weeks of training. Wouldn't be a good look for TNA if Shamrock goes to the octagon with the NWA title belt and gets demolished by Ortiz. Also on the show, Chuck Liddell defeated Vitor Belfort in a war that catapulted Liddell into title contention and he'll likely face the winner of Shamrock/Ortiz sometime down the road.
  • Dave got his hands on a copy of Shaun Assael's new book "Sex, Lies, and Headlocks: The Real Story of Vince McMahon and the World Wrestling Federation" even though it hasn't been released yet. Review time! The original concept for the book was to chronicle the Monday Night Wars, but just as the book was being finished, the whole business changed and since Vince became the lone survivor, the book was changed to focus on him and the WWF primarily. The book is fair and accurate for the most part. Assael didn't run from any of the controversial stories, but he also didn't sensationalize things to make them seem bigger than they were. If you're a long-time Observer reader, you already know all this stuff and could probably point out details or inconsistencies in the story, but to the average fan who hasn't been following all the behind-the-scenes stuff for the last 20 years, it's sure to be an eye-opener. Anyway, Dave recaps the book in detail, mostly just correcting things that the author got wrong but also acknowledging that this is an early review copy and some of these mistakes will be corrected before it's published and released. Otherwise, he just pokes holes in various myths and stories that are covered. The Observer was credited in the book for being one of the author's sources, specifically in regards to Dave's coverage of the steroid trial (yeah, if you haven't read it, go back and check those out. Dave actually attended the trial and his recap of it is one of the most must-read issues of the Observer in its entire history). The book pretty much ends at the death of WCW, though it does note that business has declined significantly since then. Overall, Dave says it's by far the best book on the real modern history of professional wrestling that he's ever read and is a must-read for any wrestling fan. But it's also too short (288 pages) to really get into all the detail needed to tell so many of these stories. But for what it is, best book of its type that Dave's ever read.
AMAZON LINK: "Sex, Lies, and Headlocks: The Real Story of Vince McMahon and the World Wrestling Federation" by Shaun Assael
  • In AAA in Mexico, there's a new guy named Canibal who's gimmick is pulling his opponent's trunks down and biting them on the ass. It's too late. You already read the sentence. You can't un-know that now.
  • AJPW stars Kaz Hayashi and Kendo Kashin were supposed to be working some shows for AAA at the moment. Fun story, when they arrived in Mexico, nobody from AAA was there to meet them at the airport and nobody they called from the AAA office would answer the phone, so they basically found themselves stranded in Mexico with no idea what to do and unable to speak the language. Dave says the exact same thing happened to Great Sasuke several years ago when he went to Mexico. Anyway, last Dave heard, Hayashi and Kashin were trying to get themselves booked on some indie shows in Mexico so they can get some pictures of them working there to take back to the magazines in Japan (which was the whole reason for their trip) so they're just looking to work one or two shows and then go back home. They can't work for CMLL because that promotion has a business relationship with NJPW.
  • Last month, AAA held its 10th annual Triplemania show in Los Angeles. Here's the problem though: it was an utter flop, with embarrassing attendance and almost nobody even realizing it happened. So AAA has decided to just pretend it didn't happen and has now scheduled Triplemania X again, this time in Mexico (maybe WWE should do that next year. Since Wrestlemania was pretty much just in an empty warehouse this year, they shouldn't even acknowledge it. Just redo Wrestlemania 36 again next year and pretend it's the first time).
  • Remember the story a couple months ago about how Invader 1 (the guy who murdered Bruiser Brody) left the WWC promotion? Well, he was scheduled to return this week as a special referee for a Carlos Colon match but it ended up not happening. He said he wanted his return to be a surprise, but the story was already out on the internet that he was coming back. For what it's worth, almost none of the wrestling fans in Puerto Rico have internet (I did the research, only 17.5% of the country had internet access in 2002 and you gotta figure only a fraction of those are wrestling fans, so Dave is likely correct here) so it still would have been a surprise to probably 99% of them. But either way, Invader 1 pulled out of the show over it and still isn't back with the promotion.
  • Spanky (Brian Kendrick) won a tournament at an indie show in California to get a shot for the Zero-1/UPW unified title. That's not the important part. How it happened is the original guy who was scheduled to win ended up pulling out of the show at the last minute because his pregnant wife was overdue so he stayed behind to be with her. So they made a call to Spanky, who was in Cincinnati. He immediately packed up his car and was on the road 30 minutes after receiving the call. And didn't stop. He drove 30 hours straight, some 2,200 miles, and made it to the venue literally an hour or so before showtime and did the match. That's freakin' dedication (I think he's talked about this in a shoot interview before. Said he masturbated to stay awake and started vomiting uncontrollably halfway through the drive or something, but still made it. Madness.)
  • AJPW news: there are no truth to the rumors of a WWE/AJPW relationship, which was mentioned last week. Motoko Baba and Tenryu were at WWE's show in Hawaii to take photos for the Japanese magazines to make people think something is up, but there's nothing there. They were just visiting because Johnny Ace got them backstage. Also, the newspapers in Japan have begun reporting that Keiji Muto will take over as AJPW president when Ms. Baba retires, which confirms what Dave has been saying for months.
  • Kenta Kobashi's first match back for NOAH will be this week at Korakuen Hall. He'll be working undercard tag matches so he won't be doing too much. If you recall, he was out for over a year with knee injuries, had one match in February in which he re-injured himself again and has been out ever since.
  • Speaking of Korakuen Hall, NJPW's latest show there only drew 1,200 fans, which means the building was only half full. Just in case you're wondering how NJPW is doing in 2002. Not great.
  • Don Frye did an interview claiming Antonio Inoki is working to put together a match between himself and Mike Tyson. "Nobody is taking that seriously," Dave says.
  • Speaking of Japanese companies trying to latch on to the WWE train and speaking of lyin' ass Inoki: there have been rumors that Inoki is putting together a relationship with WWE. Not true. Inoki claimed recently that he had met with Vince McMahon about using some of WWE's undercard guys in NJPW and of starting his own promotion in the U.S. Dave says the meeting with Vince never happened and, in fact, the two men haven't gotten along or really even spoken at all in nearly 20 years.
  • More on Jesse Ventura's decision not to run for re-election as Minnesota governor. Part of the reason may be that the polls are showing he would likely lose the race. Of course, that's what the polls said last time and he shocked the world. But after 4 years in office, his popularity isn't near what it was back then, when he was the exciting outsider. Now the voters have seen what he brings to the table and they don't seem to like it too much. Ventura was already planning to make the announcement, but then the story about his son hosting parties at the governor's mansion broke, and Ventura made the announcement 2 days earlier than he'd planned. Using the criticism that his son has gotten in the media as his excuse for not running provided Ventura a good "out" but he was already planning not to run long before that story happened and the press conference had been scheduled nearly 2 weeks earlier, so take it with a grain of salt. Most likely, he saw the writing on the wall and knew he was going to lose if he ran again.
  • Notes from the latest Ring of Honor event: it was said to be an incredible show, with guys like Bryan Danielson, Low-Ki, Christopher Daniels, Spanky, Jerry Lynn, AJ Styles, and more all having amazing matches. There was a moment during the show where Scoot Andrews went to hit Christopher Daniels' valet, Lucious. But then he stopped himself and said he'd never hit a woman, but he knew somebody who would. This was a tease to bring out another female wrestler, but the crowd started chanting for Steve Austin. The show drew 450 fans and sold out the building, which is the largest crowd ROH has drawn so far.
  • Famous St. Louis Cardinal announcer Jack Buck passed away a couple weeks ago and Dave notes that Buck actually had some involvement in wrestling back in the day. He used to do radio broadcasting of Sam Muchnick's shows live for KMOX radio in the 1960s and there's even a picture somewhere out there of Giant Baba picking Buck up and holding him like a baby. (I actually just watched the 30 For 30 documentary on the McGwire/Sosa home run race and they talked about Jack Buck in there. Good times. Anyway, someone find that picture because I'm having no luck).
  • Sting is scheduled to make an appearance, but not wrestle, at an indie show Harley Race is putting together this week in St. Louis. This will be Sting's first wrestling-related appearance since WCW folded.
  • In case you're wondering what XPW and Rob Black are up to these days, allow Dave to fill you in. Black is currently doing an angle where he's pretending he had a stroke and he pisses and shits on himself all over TV. They also did a segment where wrestler GQ Money (now a producer for NXT) broke into Black's home and tried to rape his wife until somebody made the save. The next week, they showed Money supposedly raping a girl in the parking lot and leaving her for dead, and the week after, he got sprayed with raw sewage. Now they're building up to a raw sewage match, based on this rape storyline. XPW, folks.
  • Dave has some more notes on Cody Runnels, the son of Dusty Rhodes who was backstage at WWE's show in Atlanta last week. Cody is a sophomore in high school and placed 6th in the state in amateur wrestling the past year. He also plays football. He was described to Dave as having a similar physical look as Randy Orton, "but with a face like Dusty."
  • WWA's scheduled tour of Europe has been officially canceled. The German and Switzerland shows had abysmal ticket sales and pretty much had to be canceled. The show in Ireland had more than 4,000 tickets sold and would have been a success, but even so, that one show alone wasn't going to make enough money to offset the cost of the whole tour.
  • This is actually hilarious. UFC fighter Vitor Belfort and his training partner were in a taxi before the UFC show when a bunch of cops showed up and surrounded the car. Why, you ask? Well the cab driver overheard Belfort and his partner talking about "shooting at the legs" and she got scared, not knowing what they were talking about, and called the police. Seems like they got it all straightened out though.
  • Rock will be working nearly full-time on TV from now until Summerslam, at which point he's leaving for a few months to go film his next movie. He won't be on every Smackdown, but he'll be on most of them.
  • Nothing new on the Goldberg/WWE negotiations. Vince McMahon told Goldberg's agents that he will clear his schedule any time Goldberg wants to have a meeting, but Goldberg doesn't seem particularly interested. The fact that WWE rehired Russo probably won't help matters because Goldberg is one of the many who doesn't like Russo.
  • Shawn Michaels is booked to be in Kevin Nash's corner on upcoming house shows once Nash is cleared to wrestle again. There's still no plans for Shawn to wrestle, but given how depleted the WWE roster is right now, Dave is sure they'll probably start pushing him to sooner than later (Nash ends up getting injured again almost immediately, so I don't think Shawn ever did these house show appearances).

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2020.07.14 08:21 Davidgogo Evidence of God in Plain sight - Part I

"The only way to rectify our reasonings is to make them as tangible as those of the Mathematicians, so that we can find our error at a glance, and when there are disputes among persons, we can simply say: Let us calculate [calculemus], without further ado, to see who is right."
~~~Gottfried Leibniz (1646 - 1716)
Before demanding proof, the problem needs to be framed first. I will try to make this write up somewhat of a resource. All the related body of knowledge will hopefully help with the necessary framing. Mathematics by itself cannot prove anything outside the relationships between numbers. But one can formally represent thoughts and/or observations through mathematics in such a way that their consistency can be tested. On some fundamental level we accept these representations even without proof because they look right. The famous 1+1=2 although not yet proven still makes perfect sense. Granted we can provide proofs within a subset of mathematics, in this case algebra, but mathematical proofs on a fundamental level are elusive.
What mathematics does well is to make sense of measurable, comparable and chance scenarios. Relevant to this discussion, the probability that our existence is a mere chance is much more than 10 to the power 50, which is a generally agreed upon number for impossible in most modeling tools. The actual calculated number for life to have occurred by chance is anywhere between 10 to the power 10 and 10 to the power 100. In fact, some even scale the latter number up to several million.
All that I am about to share has been around for decades, a couple even past the half a century mark. Hence, the claim that there is no evidence of God is nothing but sheer ignorance. Some would even claim it is a choice. Then there are those who get discouraged or surrender to their confirmation bias instead of seeing it through, just because somebody claimed to have “debunked” it.
Evidence/proof of God debate
If we were to look for a purely mathematical proof for the “existence” (for want of a better word, God by definition is free from the constraints of time and space) of God that concisely and accurately details such a proof, then look no further than Gödel. But do read on, it is not only about Gödel. There is a tendency in some quarters to attack Gödel’s verified proof (See note 1 below), but here is the thing, it makes no sense to use the old set of rules to attack the new set of rational rules Gödel himself helped formulate.
Let us not forget the crisis in mathematics at the turn of the last century. It was Gödel that made the old set once again tenable to begin with. A reality devoid of necessity, possibility and all the truths that cannot be demonstrated in "all possible worlds" is not real. Most critics of the proof utterly and totally misunderstand the expression “all possible worlds”. It is not a reference to some imaginary far away world(s), the world in question is right here and how we make logic and reason to work and perceive everything in the present. Hence, Gödel’s proof is nothing, but ontological proof expressed mathematically without Hume’s critique of ontological proof applying to it.
Sure, we can argue some more over the maintainability of ontological proofs, but if that would resolve anything to the satisfaction of all then I am all in. Sadly, that is not what the five thousand-year-old history of the issue has taught us.
The often-observed rigid way of demanding proof by some skeptics is at best dated, even mathematicians are moving away from something as fundamental as equality to equivalence. Counter intuitive to some but that is exactly what is happening. And there are very good reasons for that.
Gödel did a fantastic job, however there is another way, for lessor mortals, to go about providing more than enough evidence for the existence of God through mathematics. Before we venture out, the first question that must be raised is, “What attribute of God can be measured with our existing tools?”. Why is this important? Because without any measurement we will lack data to work on. And the analysis of any existing data will remain unresolved if we do not know what we are looking for.
But first allow me to bring in some much-needed context- warning-long read. A lot of you are very well clued into the debate but others may find it useful. It is also hoped that those who were previously exposed to some part of the relevant research will benefit from a properly framed second look.
No matter what kind of proof we come up with, the proof of God is going to be relative; what passed as proof in the era of Vedas, Bible or Quran revelations would be laughed at today and by the same token even if we were to come up with a workable demonstration to prove the existence of a God, people a thousand years from now would think of it as funny, at best. The funny thing is that we cannot even imagine why it would appear funny to them.
So, where do we start? The claim or the many claims pointing to communication between man and God would be one way to go about it. It is of course possible to move the veracity of communication from man to God from the anecdotal to empirical and verifiable by simply scaling it in the same way that it is already done routinely in the case of some anecdotal evidence. An interesting perspective here. However, it will make more sense to focus on the claims of communication from God to man because if there is going to be any measurable attribute of God it is probably going to be in this form of communication.
The question of what exactly it is that one would want to see measured or data collected on and with what, needs gathering.
Before we tackle this issue of communication let us deal with the proverbial “So where is the evidence?” Well there is tons of evidence, the real question ought to be what exactly would one like to see and in what form? If one expects eight neat lines preferably in plain English that should jump at someone and wash away all their currently held conviction then no, it’s not going to happen. Besides, a determined skeptic can simply dig her or his heels in and keep dismissing everything. There is no rational cure for irrationally held convictions.
Please do not say any scientifically verifiable empirical evidence will do.
We must be careful not to slip into Scientism. The very claim “we should only believe what can be scientifically proven” cannot be scientifically proven. It is, first, a philosophical claim and secondly, a classic Self-Defeating Statement. Wanting science to have all the answers doesn’t translate into science having all the answers. That holds true for both the present and the future.
To start with the observable Universe is convincing enough for most people.
A quick take first. To the question “If God created the Universe then who created God?” please refer to infinite regression while keeping in mind the definitional contrast between the creation and the created. Both cannot be part of the same regression chain. A series of similar or identical propositions where the sole demonstration of each one is the previous one, leads to fallacious reasoning. Not to mention category conflict when we want to know who created an infinite being. Another infinite being? If so, then what exactly is infinite to begin with? Mathematically one can play around a bit with infinity in terms of aleph-naught etc. but general infinite is just that, infinite, one infinite.
From another angle, “Who created God?” is a separate question that cannot be used to scrap or answer the original question “Who created the Universe?”. Similarly, even if one were to assume that the Universe was not created does not discount asking the question “Does God exist?”
The current “There is no God” narrative is unraveling fast within the very circles that were leveraged to get it going. In the scientific community, there is a change of attitude being witnessed. Until recently, few scientists would have risked the G-word even in private for obvious reasons. Now they are thinking big.
The issue of information for instance is gaining steam and has in fact moved beyond the “information realism”. In the words of one proponent/Author: Bernardo Kastrup
“As I elaborate extensively in my new book, The Idea of the World, none of this implies solipsism. The mental universe exists in mind but not in your personal mind alone. Instead, it is a transpersonal field of mentation that presents itself to us as physicality—with its concreteness, solidity and definiteness—once our personal mental processes interact with it through observation. This mental universe is what physics is leading us to, not the hand-waving word games of information realism.”
Even evolution itself needs a rethink to accommodate the “beauty” factor. And some have started doing just that by unfreezing Darwin’s original concerns about beauty.
Here is a glimpse into somebody many thinks should get the Nobel prize.
Why science needs imagination and beauty
In a slightly different vein, some take the view that there is no proof that God is responsible for the existence of the Universe even if God exists. Others take the easy route and declare that it is impossible to get to the truth as things stand today.
Funny how easy it is to declare something impossible, in most cases it is reduced to a simple declaration, compared to the effort required to show something that was thought impossible possible.
Yes, that old "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" again. In the information age, to claim absence when there is presence is the height of ignorance.
The seriousness of any truth claims , cuts both ways. Claims both positive and negative must be backed by evidence. Yes, you can prove a negative. Not only that, but almost any negative claim can be restated in the positive. The supposed argument from silence is not the way to go either. Usually employed to try and dilute existing evidence.
We all are aware of the ever-evolving talking points of the self-appointed “Horsemen” of the “movement”. From the very weak negative existential proposition-one that tries to deny the existence of something- to the faulty analogy of the Spaghetti monsters. This pasta driven improbability scenario seems to have run its course. The shift to the absurd current talking point “God ‘probably’ does not exist” declaration is telling. All of these positions are problematic. Both ontologically and when reduced to naked numbers.
Let me quote Jonathan Sacks, author of The Great Partnership: Science, Religion, and the Search for Meaning, who articulated the issue wonderfully:
“Atheism deserves better than the new atheists whose methodology consists of criticizing religion without understanding it, quoting texts without contexts, taking exceptions as the rule, confusing folk belief with reflective theology, abusing, mocking, ridiculing, caricaturing, and demonizing religious faith and holding it responsible for the great crimes against humanity. Religion has done harm; I acknowledge that. But the cure for bad religion is good religion, not no religion, just as the cure for bad science is good science, not the abandonment of science.”
The current “probably” talking point pushed through the debating circles has opened the door to absurd reactions. How about labeling food as “Probably not poisonous” and airplanes marked “Probably safe to fly.” The debate is not even about the evidence that something is confirmed absent, there is none; the focus must be on defining what will be an accepted form of evidence to an individual when it comes to God. Various claims pointing to tons of evidence needs exploring, however, before evaluating the different forms of evidence, one needs to set individual believability thresholds.
So, what exactly are individual believability thresholds?
Believability is tied to hands-on individual verification and validation. The key is to avoid the “my experts are better than your experts” trap. Hunting for evidence should not be dependent on believing somebody before believing in something, or not believing in something.
So, what’s wrong with experts, one may ask?
Nothing. As long as they all agree on a given body of knowledge. The problem arises when two “experts” derive completely opposite conclusions from the same set of facts, and one is back to square one. And ironically left with a leap of faith between competing claims. Often confirmation bias is the easy route out.
The other logical question to ask would be why not become an expert yourself?
Always an option for those who can hack it, not to mention the cost associated with gaining expert level knowledge. Did somebody mention 10,000 hours? Even at minimum wage that will add up to a pretty sum. Even 1,000 hours will be a bridge too far for most.
What is the point?
The point is that the evidence needs to be in a form that any reasonably educated person can understand and internalize it.
So how do we define any reasonably educated person?
How about Reading, Writing,and Arithmetic? That sounds about right. And we may only need two out of three here.
Let us also tackle the question, read taunt, of which God?
I think we need to go past that one very quickly, God must be one and the only God unless we go back now and change the definition of God. Besides, when the evidence is verified, this question will resolve itself automatically for each individual,irrespective of what name he or she calls God. Which, by the way, is a more accurate reflection of the “different gods” taunt, as opposed to actual different gods. Besides, it would seem that we are wired for oneness.
Let’s come back to what type and/or level of evidence will satisfy someone? To some it would seem as an attempt to shift the burden of proof remember the burden of proof is on the claimant, as we are constantly reminded. Actually, not in this case. What does it have to do with someone helping someone else find suitable evidence from the already published works? If we want some help, then it doesn't hurt to help facilitate the process. One also always has the option of going it alone. That is, if one is able to get past one’s own impossibility mindset.
The essence of inquiry is that we must start out by asking questions. We only ask questions when we are not satisfied with the usual canned answers. So, let us revisit the three most often discussed:” What is the purpose of life?”, “Where did we come from?”, and most importantly,” Where are we headed?”.
What about those who are not interested in chasing answers and are happy with things as they stand? In that case, there is no issue to resolve, at least not for the time being. However there is evidence that points to our tendencies to seek spirituality. Let us not forget a consensus is growing that 40 plus is the age of maturity, at least for men, women mature a little earlier, hence most have time. This is something that cannot be forced but bringing it to the attention of those not yet aware, in the best possible way, of course, must be an obligation as well. We can compare it to a safety or security issue, if one knows that a certain path is harmful (through a minefield for instance) to the point that irreparable damage is a possibility, then not pointing it out is irresponsible in the least and can even be termed criminal by some.
After a while, it became clear to many of us that between the fence sitters and the blind faith proponents there must be a third way. Although the militant Atheist deserves to be ignored (I don’t know and you don’t know), along with the Existentialists (at best an idealistic doctrine), my question to the fence sitters is: “How long are you willing to wait?”.
If we were all immortals, then I would jump up and sit on the fence right beside you lot and wait. This belief, non-belief, is not going to help me as an individual if the answers are not forthcoming within my lifetime and preferably earlier part of it. I have to shape my life now and ensure I don't miss a trick. Even by taking on Pascal's deficient wager I am still spreading my bets better than most. The write and wrong of it from a philosophical point of view is irrelevant to me as an individual. I am on the clock.
If the desire is to look for answers, then the first question towards that end is a question of dealing with our current constraint; so, we circle back to what attribute of God can be measured with our existing tools. Without going into too much detail of how most of God’s attributes are out of our reach except one, let me make a case for the one that can be tested despite our constraints in a bit. In this way we can hopefully distance ourselves from the difficulty of defining what mathematics itself is or for that matter how a human mind works.
Coming back to the issue of being “satisfied” with “things as they stand”, Science has highlighted the fact that at a certain age the mind is no longer satisfied with “it is what it is”. The prefrontal cortex continues to grow and there are competing theories as to when it peeks but this much is agreed upon, a search for life’s purpose and direction keeps growing with age.
Let us quickly go through some other popular themes. Some may ask, if there is a God then won’t it be his or her responsibility to show us the evidence? Yes, indeed that is a logical position. The first thing that needs exploring is this very fact: did God already communicate the evidence/proof for his existence to us, that is all of us?
Then there is the “Why doesn't God just show himself”? Apparently to every single person out there.
Instead of getting into second-guessing God as to why God doesn’t just show himself to every single person, let’s stay with the evidence for God’s existence. When we meet God, we can always ask that particular question (s) at that time. In the meantime, let us focus on the doable. Besides, once God decides to do that then it is game over and none of what is being discussed will be relevant at that point.
Let’s also put aside questions like; why not pray to God and ask him to bend the physical laws of nature? A small demo will do, some may ask. Well, unless the demo is with a running commentary from God himself, it may be of very little use to us. Not to mention the fact that then we will be veering into an on-demand demo from God scenario. Interesting! That old efficacy of prayer again.
George Burnap articulated it well.
“God governs the universe by fixed and uniform laws, not only for the sake of order but for human good... The fulfillment of every human desire would break up this order and bring everything into disorder and confusion.”
And we actually find evidence of this, more on that later …
Measuring attributes of God
So finally, we will try to narrow down the one attribute of God that can be tested, at least to a certain degree. First up omnipresence. Do we currently have the tools to test God’s omnipresence? Given the fact that we are still struggling to confirm the presence of over 80% of what constitutes the Universe around us, so no, the omnipresence of God is a far cry for now. Similarly, testing for the omnipotence of God has its own set of constraints. Chief among them, linking any event to God, not to mention what level of testable power, within a given event, that can be “witnessed”, will be enough to term it Godlike. And then there is always going to be the issue of the on-demand occurrence of such an event.
So, what is left?
In fact, there is one attribute of God that can be tested both in terms of the past, the present and the projected future and that is God’s omniscience, which is intelligence and knowledge without measure. We may not have the tools to explore the full extent of God’s intellect, but we can set ourselves realistic criteria which should be sufficiently advanced to be termed Godlike and then try to apply them.
This also fits very well within the energy, matter and information trinity of General system theory. We see how the input of data is the key to making any system work. Closely related is the order to create the information for input and the order to initiate the input of the same. More on that can be found here
So once again, where do we start?
An excellent evergreen question. The most logical place to start testing for Godlike intelligence would be in any possible communication from God, as previously touched upon. Hence, focusing on claims in the name of God will be a good starting point. Here we will be relying on Mr. Occam and his instrument of choice. Before we proceed, it may be a good time to set some ground rules in order to maximize the chances of success. The first logical premise will have to be that the claim is of actual communication as opposed to reporting on such communication from God, in other words, the very word of God where God unambiguously and repeatedly claims to be the author of the communication.
The second premise has to be that the communication is intact and in its original form. The reason for this particular condition is pretty obvious. If we can’t have access to the original form, then we will be restricted to merely what is said in the communication and to some extent on who conveyed the message. What we need is to be able to run forensics .
This line of thinking, some may feel, is preparing the ground for countering the circular argument criticism of the like, “It is true because the Bible/Quran/Veda says it is true”. Criticism aside, given the modern tools at our disposal, we should be able to test and do a forensic audit for other than what is said in these claims of communication from God. The logical place to start once again must be the major religions of the world because those messages obviously have had the biggest impact.
Going by the historical records, the one religious book that can be dated very close to the claimed original events is the Quran. The recent Birmingham manuscripts come to mind.
Here again some may say that it is a case of cleverly steering the argument in the favor of one religion. I don’t know about the steering bit, but yes, we should always go where the argument takes us. It is reasonable to assume that if close to two billion people believe in something similar, it is worth investigating first.
Some may say, “Surprise, surprise!”. Sarcasm noted, but I am willing to stick my neck out with considerable confidence. Interesting to note that most of those who champion the new Atheism have a special bias reserved for Islam. Do they already know something?
So, when do we get to the juicy stuff if there is any?
Modern communication protocols
One thing I can guarantee you is plenty of juice. So, here is how I will try to build the case. Let me first touch upon how we authenticate the integrity of communication in modern times and then try and build a case for the integrity of the message of the Quran in a layered approach. The believability is tied to individual discoveries that build into literally a tsunami of evidence, and the accrued punch it packs.
The so far discovered markers in the Quran point to the fact that there is something for everyone. From the very simple to mind-boggling complication as one would expect from a divine message.
The reason for this lengthy context was to try and satisfy as many people along the way and deal with the often-asked questions as we went along.
So, here is the important bit. The way we authenticate a modern communication is by embedding metadata in the message itself. That is data that says something about the data being communicated. If we want the data secured, then we encrypt it on top of that. I am not going to devolve too deep into the field of signal transmission or the vast field of encryption but just touch on the principles on which they are based.
The Quran’s markers are in fact not only related to these principles but break new grounds in helping us view this field. The layers I referred to have to do with both reading a straightforward text on one hand and becoming aware of the arrangement of this very text in ways that give us additional information. In the same way text mining and text analytics work. The evidence of God for the non-experts but reasonably educated, can be found in this additional information. Interestingly there is enough of it to keep even the experts busy for thousands of years to come, yes, thousands at least.
Modern communications rely on packets of information. Every transmission consists of hundreds of these packets which are routed through various nodes of a given network or interconnected networks. The packets leave the point of origin and may or may not follow the same route and then are reassembled at the intended destination point using the header information which contains the metadata attached to each packet. Currently, there is a constant back and forth exchange between the origin and destination points of each message which ensures that all packets are accounted for. The technology is already in place where even this constant cross-checking of packets between the point of origin and the destination point will not be necessary. Simple algebraic equation will be applied to packets themselves and the message as a whole, to authenticate the integrity of messages (s) on arrival. The Quranic transmission, in fact, takes these principles to a whole new level.
Early findings
This whole thing picked up speed with a chap called Muhammad Fuad Abdul Baqi. Basically, what he did was to index every single word used in the entire Quran. In fact, he did it for Hadith (The claimed sayings of the Prophet of God) books as well, but as one would expect only the Quran exhibits the phenomenon we will be exploring. There are claims for patterns in other religious texts as one would anticipate but those, when compared with the Quran, are like the showing of the proverbial candle to the sun. It’s the sheer quantity and complexity of the discovered data that set it uniquely apart. Not finding the patterns in other books does not mean they lose all value. Not being in their original form has a lot to do with it of course.
So, how will we connect all this to the evidence of God? The very fact that not only God in first person is claiming to be the author of the Quran - remember our first premise - but the Author of the Quran throws down the gauntlet to all comers to reproduce a work like it. Still, we are not going to take what Quran says at face value as of yet.
Logically, “because the book says so” will make more sense after we first establish the authenticity of the Quran the product. We will initially try to verify and validate the complexity of its content to such an extent that it should point to something way beyond coincidences and firmly in the sphere of a Godlike intelligence. Once the verification process is done, we can then revisit and see what is being said in it and find the connection to the source of the communication. In short, the focus is to get to a framework where evidence of God can be justified, presented and verified.
As I previously mentioned, some of you may have been exposed to some aspect of this phenomenon, in both a positive way and a negative manner. What is missing from most understandings is the fact that this thing is several levels deep. A determined skeptic may boohoo one aspect of it but when the larger picture emerges only the very blind will be able to ignore it.
Before I introduce the most basic first layer, the word count, it is important to point out that this is not numerology, no memory tricks, no mirrors and certainly no smoke. Just straight up math. What we have is a number of interrelated patterns based on counts and the positioning of words, terms, and letters. The signature of God is in the scale and complexity of these arrangements. In contrast, the most famous of the Bible code is based on Equidistance Letter Sequence (ELS) and that too in well-defined very limited number of boxes. The Quranic patterns are not only several layers deep but touch each and every chapter, verse, word and even letter of the Quran.
The reason I will mostly stick with counting/Arithmetic is because in addition to our self-imposed “no experts” constraint, deriving definite and sound conclusions from the various “scientific” verses of the Quran is not always obvious if one lacks the relevant domain knowledge. Given that the natural languages, by definition, are elastic, and a case can always be made to say that is not what the author meant etc. Quran, in fact, has an elegant solution for it. More on that later.
Apologies for deferring tolater, but there is so much to cover. The other issue why these references to scientific phenomenon need to be sidelined, is the accusation that a lot of the present discoveries had some references in different ancient manuscripts, both religious and otherwise. Hence the author could have had access to them and thus no miracle. Therefore, we will stick as close to prior as humanly possible. Even though theywould be lottery winning odds to somehow conclude that the author got lucky by not dragging in the mountain of proven wrong references scattered in the same type of sources where he allegedly sourced his scientifically correct descriptions.
In the interest of framing the issue accurately allow me one last digress. Before we get into the structural elements of the Quran, it is important to keep in mind two important fundamentals. The first one has to do with the multitude and diversity of rhetorical tools employed in the Quran and second has to do with the number of domains the text tackles. The former sprawls across alliteration, analogy, antiphrasis, antithesis, asyndeton, assonance, cadence, chiasmus, epizeuxis, equivoque, homonymy, hyperbole, isocolon, simile, metaphor, metonymy, palindrome, parenthesis, polyptoton, rhetorical questioning, and synecdoche. The latter takes it to another level. Quran is not only a complete and comprehensive political and economic system on one hand, but the depth and breadth of its narration even covers social and personal mannerisms, including marital discipline.
At its core, the Quran establishes rules relating to fair governance, economic equality and resource allocation, inheritance and property rights, criminal justice, astronomy, chemistry, biology, psychology, sociology, business and so on.
It was important to go through all that before we get into the numbers and ratios.
Quran is a sea of knowledge expressed in the most eloquent manner possible. It is also important to point out that extensive knowledge of the Arabic language is not a must to be able to verify the evidence in question, reason and logic is, which in a way makes the Quran more or less language neutral.
So, what is this numbers “game” of the Quran?
Layers of the Quranic patterns
The order I will be introducing these layers in, is based on my personal understanding and can actually be used in any given combination and quite a bit of overlap should be expected. In fact, we see that almost every discovered pattern extends beyond its core location and touches a number of other points in the Quran. In all probability pointing to a super structure or structures.
... Continued in Part II of III
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2020.06.17 18:04 daprice82 Wrestling Observer Rewind ★ Jun. 3, 2002

Going through old issues of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and posting highlights in my own words. For anyone interested, I highly recommend signing up for the actual site at f4wonline and checking out the full archives.
PREVIOUSLY:
1-7-2002 1-14-2002 1-21-2002 1-28-2002
2-4-2002 2-11-2002 2-18-2002 2-25-2002
3-4-2002 3-11-2002 3-18-2002 3-25-2002
4-1-2002 4-8-2002 4-15-2002 4-22-2002
4-29-2002 5-6-2002 5-13-2002 5-20-2002
5-27-2002
  • We start with more on the death of Davey Boy Smith, including a full-length super long obituary, because apparently 2002 is nothing but people dying. I feel like I've done nothing but recap obituaries since starting back with 2002. Anyway. in the wake of Smith's death, the reaction has sadly not been one of surprise. Anyone who saw Smith in the last 4-5 years pretty much saw it coming. The cause of death, pending toxicology results, was ruled a heart attack caused from prolonged steroid use. But until the toxicology results are back, the belief among his friends and family is that there was probably more to it. Dave talks about the staggering number of wrestlers who have died under age 40 in recent years, with upwards of 20 of them being due to drug issues.
  • Smith died while on vacation with his girlfriend Andrea Hart, estranged wife of Bruce Hart. Despite that, Smith was actually on good terms with most of the Hart family, although Andrea is not. The Hart family believes Andrea knows more than she's letting on about the circumstances of his death, but she's not talking to anybody. Andrea's children (that she had with Bruce) were also there and they each apparently have different accounts of how he died (he was sleeping! he was in the pool! he was eating!) but they all pretty much agree he collapsed doing whatever he was doing. Andrea told the press that she believed Smith had overdosed, but Smith's dad did his own interviews and denied it, saying his son had stopped using drugs and was clean when he died. Needless to say, most people aren't buying that given his track record. Smith's father decided against having the body cremated and instead ordered it sent back to England for examination to make sure he wasn't murdered. "I cannot believe his death was natural," he said. "If they find drugs in his body, then he didn't put them there. Davey was clean." (Eeeeeeehhhhh....) Shit got even messier when Andrea and Smith's ex-wife Diana Hart each tried to claim the body. Despite her book (in which she accused Smith of drugging, abusing, and raping her), Diana played grieving widow in the media even though they're divorced. It may not have been an act though. Some in the family believe Smith and Diana were trying to reconcile, and they were on good terms at the time of his death. Andrea claimed to be his common-law wife, even though she's still legally married to Bruce. She later claimed Smith had proposed to her 2 weeks before his death and said they were engaged, which was the first anyone had heard about that. Smith's father claims in their last conversation, Davey Boy had told him he was planning to break up with Andrea after their vacation. So who knows. Anyway, both Diana and Andrea planned their own separate memorial services, while Smith's dad is planning his own 3rd service. Smith's body wasn't at either of the Hart family memorial services because, as mentioned, it was sent back to England where authorities are launching an investigation at the behest of Smith's father.
  • Andrea's service was said to be small and simple, just a few dozen people, and she seemed sincere in her sorrow. Diana's service was larger and more public, with hundreds of attendees and press, along with several WWE names. Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart (who attended both services), Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Jim Ross, and others all attended and several of them spoke. Diana's eulogy featured a professionally produced video featuring Davey Boy footage from WWE that had never aired on television before. She thanked Vince for trying to help Davey with his addiction issues. She never acknowledged everything she wrote about him in her book last year. Smith's children as well as Stampede wrestler TJ Wilson gave speeches as well. 16-year-old Harry Smith was composed and gave a great speech about teaming with his father in his last matches. And then Ellie Hart got up there and....it went about how you'd expect. She started ranting about Andrea and blaming her for not giving the family the answers they wanted and it started to turn into some drama, but the minister gently interrupted her and got things back on track. And finally, Bret Hart gave a speech, directly addressing Smith's children and saying that Davey Boy and Owen would want the children of all these Hart family members to get along with each other better than the adults have. From here, Dave gets into the actual meat of the obituary, recapping Smith's life and career. As always, an excellent read but very long to recap.
  • WWE Confidential, the new show the company is producing, aired its debut episode this week, focusing on the Montreal Screwjob. Dave once again talks about how Vince McMahon tried to downplay the incident recently, giving an interview just a couple of months ago calling the Screwjob a minor incident that almost no one cares about. Vince went so far as to say he could count on one hand the number of people who even still care about that old news. Turns out one of those must be Vince because this week, they dedicated the premiere of this new show to the story and highlighted it as the most controversial night in the history of wrestling. The hook of the show was Shawn Michaels revealing publicly, for the first time, that yes, he was in on the screwjob and knew about it in advance. Dave says this isn't really a secret. Shawn denied having any knowledge of it that night but as soon as the day after Survivor Series 97, he was bragging to friends about it. Vince McMahon also later confided in Undertaker that Shawn knew ahead of time. So it was kind of an open "secret" that Shawn knew but this is the first time he's admitted it publicly. Triple H still denies knowing about it ahead of time, but Dave is pretty skeptical there too (and indeed, it's later revealed that yes indeed, Triple H also knew). Dave thinks lots of people had to know. Even the guy who cued the music had to know, because Shawn's music was queued up and ready to play the second Vince ordered the bell to be rung. Pat Patterson always claimed not to know and Bret has said he wants to believe it, because he likes Pat, but the way Pat interrupted the match-planning conversation and specifically suggested the sharpshooter spot to them makes Bret question it (I think Patterson still denies it to this day, but I have my doubts there too). Anyway, the show recapped the history of the Screwjob and if you know Dave, you know he's about to poke a whole bunch of holes in WWE's revisionist bullshit. Here we go...
  • The story of the episode was WWF was close to going out of business due to the WCW war and couldn't afford Bret anymore, so Vince nobly allowed Hart out of his contract so he could negotiate a better deal with WCW. Actually, Dave says, Vince first talked to Bret about deferring some of his contract to later on but that was a couple months earlier. At the time, WWF really was having some financial struggles, but it's an exaggeration to say they were almost driven out of business. They were never even close. But regardless, that's irrelevant because in Sept. 97, they raised the price of PPVs by $10. That added revenue, which was nearly $1 million per month in pure profit, was easily enough to get them out of financial trouble. By the time Survivor Series 97 rolled around, WWF was doing just fine, money-wise, and were only a couple months away from catching fire and getting nuclear hot. So no, they did not need to get rid of Bret's contract. And in fact, in October, a couple weeks before Survivor Series, Vince changed his mind and asked Bret to stay, saying that the financial situation had turned around. But by this point, Hart's negotiations with WCW were full speed ahead and Vince allowed Hart to continue negotiating. But after talking to both sides, it was clear Vince had no real plan for Bret and he didn't really seem like he wanted to keep him, so Bret took the WCW deal and the rest is history. But of course, none of that is mentioned in this show. The episode also claimed Hart refused to drop the title to anyone (again, not true. Only Shawn. Bret even offered to lose it to Brooklyn Brawler if they wanted. In fact, Dave breaks down all the different scenarios that were presented here, and Bret was willing to lose the title to anyone other than Shawn, anywhere other than that show in Montreal, at any date before or after the PPV. They had actually presented Bret with dozens of different scenarios, all of which he agreed to, only for Vince to keep coming back around to Shawn at Survivor Series, which was the one and only thing Bret wouldn't budge on). They also tried to paint the picture that Bret could have taken the title to WCW the night after Survivor Series. In fact, Bret's WWF contract didn't end until Dec. 1st, and he was booked on more than a dozen house shows after Survivor Series and had even agreed to work the early December PPV because Bischoff had given his blessing. There was zero chance Bret was going to show up with the belt on Nitro. There was concern that Bischoff would go on Nitro the next day and announce he had signed Bret, and Dave says it's true that Bischoff certainly was planning to do that. But Bret had also asked Bischoff to hold off on the announcement and Bischoff had agreed. Vince knew about that too, but in recorded conversations with Bret (from the Wrestling With Shadows documentary), Vince didn't seem concerned since the word was already out and everyone knew Bret was leaving already. This just goes on and on. We all know the story already. Anyway, TL;DR - interesting show, but WWE's version of the story is bullshit. But we all knew that.
  • At the latest NJPW show, Antonio Inoki came out and cut a promo. He talked about being in attendance recently at the World Cup and said wrestling needs something like that. Inoki claimed he had put together a deal with WWE for a joint NJPW/WWE show to take place later in the year. Dave doesn't know if there's any truth to that story, but this is the first he's heard of it and he doesn't think it makes any sense for WWE so he's skeptical.
  • Usually in Japan, TV-Asahi airs the finals of NJPW's G1 Climax tournament live. But this year that may not happen, as they're looking at airing one of Inoki's MMA shows instead. This is a direct result of the terrible rating the recent Tokyo Dome show drew when it aired live. This company is struggling mightily lately.
  • Random news and notes: Inoki recently recruited a 23-year old Brazillian MMA fighter named Lyoto Machida to come to NJPW (he never really does anything in NJPW other than train at the dojo, but he had a long career in UFC and still fights for Bellator to this day). Dusty Rhodes is the new co-host of Turner South's Atlanta Braves pre-game show called "Hey The Braves Are Next!" Scott Hall will be working Insane Clown Posse's upcoming Gathering of the Juggalos event. Former WCW wrestler Evan Karagis recently filmed a role on the soap opera "Passions."
  • In the main event of FOX's Celebrity Boxing show, Chyna lost by decision to Joey Buttafuoco. Chyna's mystique of being a woman who only wants to compete with men got pretty much obliterated here, as the larger Buttafuoco manhandled her with ease for much of the match, which probably makes all those big tough wrestlers who sold for her feel kinda silly. But Buttafuoco came in as a hated heel to the audience and despite how she got pummeled, many people felt Buttafuoco was fighting dirty and cheating, so Chyna wasn't too hurt by it. She talked about wanting a rematch and Dave says if PRIDE really wants to break into the U.S. market, they could throw it onto one of their cards. Hey, this show did a really strong TV rating, maybe a rematch would be just the kind of freak-show attraction needed for PRIDE to get attention in the U.S. Nothing else they've tried has worked. Dave also suggests NWA-TNA could book it, but a worked wrestling match between the two probably wouldn't get as much media attention.
WATCH: Chyna vs. Joey Buttafuoco - Celebrity Boxing Match (2002)
  • Big Dick Dudley's ex-wife, former ECW valet Elektra, did an interview talking about his death. She said he'd had stomach pains all week and couldn't urinate. But didn't go to the doctor because he didn't think it was a big deal. Then at one point he got up to go to the bathroom but collapsed on the floor and died there on the spot. Jeez. At the time of his death, he had lost over 100 pounds from his peak weight of 320 in ECW several years ago.
  • Vince Russo is going to be writing a book about his time in WWF. Due to legal reasons and the ongoing lawsuit, it won't include much about his WCW tenure (I think he's written a book or two, but I've never read them, so if anyone has any insight, feel free to share).
  • Shaun Assael's book "Sex, Lies, & Headlocks: The Real Story of Vince McMahon and the World Wrestling Federation" will be published next month and is getting strong early reviews. Dave has talked to several of the people who spoke with Assael for the book and some of them expect it to be good while others feel that Assael fell victim to the cons and charms of wrestlers who were working him. We shall see, says Dave.
  • The debut NWA-TNA PPV will feature some sort of tournament to crown a new NWA champion. Dan Severn is no longer the champion after not agreeing to work the show (he already had a prior MMA booking for that date in New Mexico). As a result, the NWA (which is now working with TNA) just stripped him of the belt, which is convenient because they didn't really want to use Severn anyway, so now they can do whatever they originally planned to do with the belt without having to book an excuse to get it off him. The Jarretts and this new promotion now have full control over both the NWA world and tag team titles.
  • Mike Tenay has been named the lead announcer for the new NWA-TNA promotion. They're also trying to get Lex Luger to appear for the debut show, but Dave thinks its unlikely since Luger is financially set for life and has shown no interest in doing any wrestling since WCW folded.
  • Jeff Jarrett had talks with Bret Hart about coming in to do a Team Canada gimmick. Latest Dave heard is that Hart isn't interested, but they may bring in some of the new generation of Harts for it. There's been talk of bringing in TJ Wilson, Harry Smith, and Teddy Hart as a new version of the group. Smith is still only 16 and it's way too early to put him on the national stage yet and in a lot of states, he wouldn't even legally be allowed to perform. Wilson is also a teenager, from a bad home who pretty much grew up as an honorary Hart member in the Hart household. And Teddy Hart is a natural in-ring performer who would already be in WWE if not for the fact that during his two training camp tryouts, he had behavioral incidents both times. But they're all talented and will likely be big stars in the future. Last time WWE was in Calgary, Vince McMahon personally requested to meet with all 3 of them for a private tryout, but it didn't amount to anything.
  • Little bit of a change in the WWF writing teams. Brian Gewertz is now the official head writer for Raw, while Paul Heyman is the lead writer for Smackdown. Stephanie McMahon will continue to oversee creative for both shows and, of course, Vince still has final say on everything. Dave expects this to result in Raw being a more comedic show while Smackdown will be the more serious in-ring product (pretty much, yeah. And thus, we have the official beginning of Heyman-era Smackdown and soon we'll see the birth of the Smackdown Six).
  • Notes from Raw: show opened with Chris Benoit making his unannounced return to a huge pop. Dave still expects Benoit to eventually be managed by Arn Anderson, which has been the plan for months (and never happens). That was actually the original plan before the NWO was brought in. If Benoit was healthy in time (which, turned out he wasn't so it didn't matter anyway), the original idea was Benoit vs. Austin at Wrestlemania 18 with Anderson managing Benoit. But that obviously all changed. Anyway, what else? Dave once again mentions that Jeff Hardy looks physically awful. He seems to know about Hardy's drug issues and seems to be hinting about it without saying it. Tommy Dreamer continued his gross gimmick by drinking Undertaker's tobacco spit. Lesnar beat Bubba Ray Dudley but had to sell a ton in the match and Dave doesn't get it. For a guy that they so clearly want to turn into a Goldberg-like star, selling for midcarders every week isn't how Goldberg got over. Jim Ross went on and on about how Lesnar has never been pinned, which Dave says is an insult to all the fans who have seen Lesnar do jobs at house shows. RVD beat Eddie Guerrero in a 20+ minute ladder match and Dave says it's the longest match on Raw in at least a year. Dave gives it 4 stars and considering how messy and sloppy it was, that shows you how good it was. Lots of dangerous spots, some botched moves, and most notably a moment when a fan ran into the ring and knocked over the ladder while Eddie was climbing up. Eddie and Earl Hebner started stomping the fan until security dragged him out. Still an awesome match though. And finally, Benoit returned at the end of the show and turned heel on Austin. Dave says Benoit actually isn't ready yet and isn't supposed to be back in the ring until July, but the company is so desperate for anything to give them a shot in the arm that they may have pulled the trigger on this angle early.
WATCH: Fan shoves Eddie Guerrero off the ladder
  • Notes from Smackdown: the only thing Dave talks about is the Hulk Hogan retirement angle they did and he's got mixed feelings on it. First the positive: he gives Hogan credit for being an absolutely incredible performer when the heat is on. And Hogan gave a tremendous performance in this and Dave doesn't let it go unrecognized. But then the negative: in the promo, Hogan talked at length about when his dad was dying, he was basically expressionless except for Monday and Thursday nights when he'd watch WWF and his face would light up. So Hogan said his dad's last words were he wanted to see his son return to the WWF. So that's all sweet and nice, right? Weeeeeell....Hogan has told a different version of this story in the past. In previous interviews, Hogan said his dad was disgusted by what wrestling had become and he wanted Hogan to "clean it up." The idea that he was laying in the hospital and only coming to life when his beloved WWF was on doesn't exactly jibe with what Hogan has said before. And no matter what the truth is, Dave is uncomfortable Hogan using his dead dad as a way to get this storyline over, but hey, he ain't the first and won't be the last.
  • WWE's first show in Hawaii in probably 15 years is scheduled for later this month. Rock is scheduled to work the show and tickets sold out 2 hours after they went on sale. While we're at it, the Australia show in August also sold out the 47,000-seat Colonial Stadium in Melbourne in only 4 days. Once they scale the stadium for production, they plan to open up more seats.
  • It's "basically a sure thing" that Hogan vs. Vince McMahon will be one of the top matches at Summerslam. How they get there seems to change weekly. There's been talks of having Hogan take time off after King of the Ring and return for the Vince match at Summerslam. There's also been talk of him sticking around through the entire summer. So who knows? (Ended up being a mixture of both: Hogan stuck around the entire summer, but then he did an angle to get written off TV right before Summerslam. And he didn't come back until early 2003. And, of course, we got the Hogan/Vince match at Wrestlemania)
  • More info on the incident from a couple weeks ago where Kevin Nash and X-Pac reportedly threw a fit and got the script changed. They were told by writer Ed Koskey what the plans were for them on the show. Nash and X-Pac didn't like it, especially X-Pac since it involved him doing 2 jobs during the same show. X-Pac said he was quitting and told Nash he'd meet him in the car. Nash told Shane McMahon he'd go calm X-Pac down and straighten everything out. Nash and X-Pac came back, had meetings with Shane and Jim Ross, and then later with Koskey and Brian Gewertz (who wrote the show). They managed to convince the writers to change it more to their liking. Nash was also upset about how Ric Flair went on TV and said he'd fired Scott Hall. Nash didn't like the idea of Flair on TV being able to hire and fire people from their NWO, because that kinda takes away from the idea of the NWO as an autonomous, outsider group that doesn't play by WWE's rules. So that's why Nash was able to go out on TV on this night and cut the promo about how Flair doesn't control the NWO. Of course, Hall is still gone, so I guess he still does. Anyway, both Nash and X-Pac were pissed over all this and caused a scene, especially X-Pac, to the point others in the locker room wondered why they weren't disciplined instead of being given their way. But if you wonder that, you clearly ain't been paying attention to Nash over the years. Anyway, X-Pac still did the job in the Hardyz match, but not in the second match.
  • Random news: house shows in Alexandria and Baton Rouge, LA were both canceled this weekend due to low ticket sales. Shit's selling out in record time in Australia and Hawaii, but they can't give tickets away in Louisiana apparently. Undertakers hips were both banged up after the Hogan match at the PPV but he continued working, although he was limited (and years later, he'd have to get major surgery on both those hips). At Raw in Edmonton, Ric Flair was getting huge pops and "woo!" chants for him before the show started, so they filmed a backstage segment where he told Arn Anderson how much he hates Edmonton so they would boo him when he came out live. Lance Cade won the HWA title from Johnny the Bull down in developmental. WWF was pushing the city of Edmonton to present Benoit with the key to the city on Raw, but Edmonton wasn't so keen on the idea. And finally, during a bikini contest at the house show in Winnipeg, Ivory's top got pulled down, exposing her boob, much to the delight of many in the crowd.
  • Remember how MTV's The Osbournes was the only show routinely beating Raw in the cable ratings? That's changing. The Osbournes is over for the season, but this week, Raw fell to #4 behind the Lakers/Spurs NBA playoff game and 2 different episodes of SpongeBob. Patrick's a draw, brother.
  • Raven has been doing commentary on Sunday Night Heat, but he recently asked to be removed from it because he feels like it hurts his wrestling character. Dave thinks this is pretty risky. Raven as a wrestler is probably nearing the end of his shelf-life and lord knows WWE hasn't shown any desire to push him. And he was actually pretty fantastic at commentary. So giving up a safe job that he was excelling at for one that WWE doesn't really seem to see any value in him for seems like a good way to find yourself on the chopping block next time they decide to get rid of some people (yup, he'll be gone from the company in another 7 months or so). For what it's worth though, this isn't the first time Raven has been in this situation. Back in the 90s, he was a manager and commentator in WWF then too, under the name Johnny Polo. But when they weren't interested in using him as a wrestler, he quit the company and reinvented himself in ECW as Raven. Sometimes you gotta bet on yourself.
  • Jim Ross has a weekly WWE.com article where he usually just shares all the latest injuries everyone has. This leads Dave on a bit of a tangent when Ross wrote about how Triple H has a fractured patella. The injury was diagnosed by Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham and Andrews told Triple H to be careful with it, but he could continue wrestling as long as he can take the pain. Basically one of the world's top sports doctors saying, "Yeah you've got a broken knee, but throw some dirt on it, you'll be fine." It's no wonder so many of these guys end up on pain pills rather than getting the medical treatment they need.
  • Also in his article, Jim Ross admitted that the WWE is not doing a good job lately of providing a product the fans want to see. Dave thinks that's just about as strong a statement he's heard on the current state of WWE from someone so high up within the company. Ross admitted they need to create new rivalries, elevate new young talent, and effectively introduce new stars. However, Ross also blamed the economy and the abnormally high number of injuries everyone is dealing with right now for part of the problems too. Dave says the economy may play a small role in the declining live event and PPV numbers, but usually when the economy is in the toilet, TV ratings go up because people are staying home more. Not the case here. Injuries, yes that's a problem for sure. But the core of all WWE's problems right now comes down to the simple fact that the show pretty much sucks. And at least someone high up in the office seems to finally be publicly admitting it.
  • Tough Enough 2 is down to the final four. Dave talks about how Jackie Gayda is now the sentimental favorite because she tore her ACL during the show but has still refused to quit, which opened a lot of eyes on her. Speaking of Tough Enough, in a WCW-like comedy of errors, they aired a promo for next week's episode before the current episode was finished, thus spoiling who the final 4 were going to be, before it was revealed on the show people were watching.
  • The WWF Forceable Entry album has sold around 364,000 copies total since its release. But it's actually considered a pretty huge failure because WWF had to pay so much money in fees and up front advances to the various artists on the album, and they're nowhere close to recouping that cost. (The album eventually sells over 500,000 and goes gold but still a flop).
NEXT WEDNESDAY: A look at the dismal state of WWE in 2002, Tough Enough II finale, Riki Choshu's departure from NJPW, Dave reviews several new wrestling books, and more...
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2020.05.06 15:14 Mel0n_Collie [OC] What if every world cup team had the same population? - Group H

Well here it is, the final group. It’s been a wild ride and my office chair's ass groove has developed its own ass groove, but if FIFA and/or The UN sees this and decides to reconstruct the fabric of political geography to emulate my idea, then it just might have been a worthwhile use of my time.
If you’ve just stumbled upon this then you have two options, either you call the day a write off and go back to read the first seven posts or you can close your browser and do literally anything else. Just incase anyone chooses option A, here are the groups in full…
Group A, Group B, Group C, Group D, Group E, Group F, Group G
Gentlemen, it’s been an honour writing with you, this final quartet strings together a titanic amount of talent.
The Final Countdown is fronted by Europe, I experience REM trying to find 22 Chinese Bro’s, and we take a visit to Drake’s home country Canada, for those of you not wanting to think about Drake today, I’m afraid if you’re reading this it’s too late.
CEUSAC
Canada, The Carribean, 24 most Easternly US states, Greenland
Population (millions): 242.42
Not to be confused with namesake John, this map to the stars is acronymically composed of ‘Canada, East US and Carribean’.
Five years ago it would be no exaggeration to say that this squad could have been an all-American draft, but a recent glut of Canadian and Jamaican talent makes this Atlantic amalgam a multi-national roster sweeter than maple syrup.
The Canucks have an underwhelming soccer CV, the ice-hockey adoring nation has the joint worst record of any team to qualify for a world cup, losing all three games without scoring a goal in 1986. Notable Canadians of the past include goalkeeper Craig Forrest who made over 250 appearances for Ipswich and won tournament MVP in Canada’s second and most recent Gold Cup triumph. Utility midfielder Paul Stalteri spent thirteen years playing between Germany and England’s top flights, while Les Rouges top scorer and 2011 MLS MVP Dwayne De Rosario is the greatest player to never leave the continent.
Jamaica, Cuba, Haiti and Trinidad & Tobago have all matched Canada’s solitary appearance, while the former are present throughout this squad, the other nation’s have failed to produce this generations Dwight Yorke.
Now-commentator Robbie Earle has just one less Premier League appearance than Eden Hazard and the midfielder scored Jamaica’s first World Cup goal. Earle was born in Newcastle, England, but some notable Islanders having traded allegiances the other way, the past and present pair of John Barnes and Raheem Sterling were both born in capital Kingston, and have gone on to be among the best wide players of their respective generation. A bitter loss to the Reggae Boys, Sterling may get some extreme boo’s if he starts against this team, provoking the irate of the Carribean. (come on it’s the last post)
Arguably the greatest player to represent an island nation is bulky Bermudan Shaun ‘feed the goat’ Goater; talented out-and-out forward scored over 220 times in English football, and an impressive goal every 85 minutes for his country.
The best former American from the strongest region of the three joined City two days after Goater left, Claudio Reyna has a century of caps spanning over a decade, even earning a spot in the all-star team of Japan/Korea 2002. The footballing genetics are strong in the Reyna family, the man from New Jersey sure to have produced a future USMNT star. Giovanni Reyna doesn’t make this squad on the count of a stacked midfield, but considering the 17 year old is already capable of goals like this it’s only a matter of time before he’s the first name on the team sheet.
Goalkeepers Birthplace FM20 Value Age
Milan Borjan CAN Red Star GK Knin, Croatia 63 €1.00 32
Zach Steffen USA F. Dusseldorf GK Coatesville, PA 68 €17.50 25
Defenders
Walker Zimmerman USA LAFC CB Lawrenceville, GA 61 €3.10 27
Matt Hedges USA FC Dallas CB Rochester, NY 61 €3.60 30
Wes Morgan JAM Leicester CB Nottingham 66 €1.50 36
Alphonso Davies CAN Bayern Munich LWB Ghana 68 €7.30 19
Adrian Mariappa JAM Watford CB London 64 €5.00 33
Kemar Lawrence JAM Red Bull NY LB Kingston 61 €3.10 27
Ike Opara USA Minnesota Utd CB Durham, NC 62 €3.30 31
Timmy Chandler USA Frankfurt RB Frankfurt 64 €3.30 30
Midfielders
Daniel Johnson JAM Preston NE CAM Kingston 62 €8.20 27
Jonathan David CAN Gent CAM Brooklyn, NY 65 €9.50 20
Atiba Hutchinson CAN Besiktas CDM Ontario 65 €0.70 36
Cristian Pulisic USA Chelsea LW Hershey, PA 75 €43.30 21
Tyler Adams USA RB Leipzig CDM Wappinger, NY 65 €4.80 21
Leon Bailey JAM Bayer Leverkusen LW Kingston 76 €38.20 22
Osvaldo Alonso CUB Minnesota Utd CDM San Cristobal 63 €1.20 34
Romaine Sawyers STK West Brom CM Birmingham 65 €12.50 28
Forwards
Mariano Diaz DOM Real Madrid ST Catelonia 74 €29.80 26
Jozy Altidore USA Toronto ST Livingston, NJ 66 €5.40 30
Lucas Cavallini CAN Vancouver ST Toronto 65 €3.20 27
Kemar Roofe JAM Anderlecht ST Walsall 65 €8.80 27
Average/Totals 66 €214.30 25.82
Tempted to include his name in the title to break the subs upvote record, Christian Pulisic is a $73 million man receiving the attacking midfield tutorship of Frank Lampard at Chelsea. With 31 caps and 17 goals for his country at just 21, the man from Hershey has mounds of talent that might see him finish his career as the male Megan Rapinoe.
I’m hesitant to call Pulisic the star of the show, as the winger turned wingback Alphonso Davies looks almost certain to become a world-class player at Bayern Munich. Born in a Ghanian refugee camp to Liberian parents, the prodigy is a proud Canadian national who announced himself by scoring a 93rd minute winner against Sporting Kansas City aged just 15. He went on to score three times for his adoptive country in the 2017 Gold Cup the following year, sharing a continental golden boot award before being legally old enough to donate blood. In recent memory Davies displayed a man of the match performance knocking Pulisic’ Chelsea out of the Champions League.
Ronaldo’s brief successor to the number 7 shirt at Real Madrid, Mariano leads the line, despite just 1 cap for the Dominican Republic, I’m going out on a limb to predict he’ll bother turning up for this team
At one point believed to be the third in a trilogy of Anglo-Jamaican heists, Leon Bailey is a technically supreme winger with pace to match, now 22 he’s comparatively one of the older attacking role models in the tournament's youngest team. The average age is even more impressive when looking at aging leaders Atiba Hutchinson and Wes Morgan who collectively have a glistening trophy cabinet.
I think group winners will be a bridge too far but could this show what could be the beginning of a much more competitive CONCACAF in years to come. If my predictions are correct, the round of 16 will be a reenactment of the civil war.
East India
11 Indian states (Sikkim, Assam, Meghalaya, Arunachal P, Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura, Bihar)
Population (millions): 178.20
Never having to research this nation's footballing downfalls again will be an Indian tonic, in what is actually the best team on paper from the second most populated country, they might just manage to concede fewer than thirty in this strong group.
I don’t have anything of value to say about this part of the world, so I’m going to try a social experiment and see if anyone gets this far without skipping to the next team, so here is the first few paragraphs of the WIkipedia entry for former Chelsea and Newcastle defender Celestine Babayaro...
Babayaro spent the majority of his career playing in the Premier League, mainly for Chelsea from 1997 to 2005, and then later for Newcastle United, from 2005 to 2008. He had a brief stint at MLS club LA Galaxy, but never officially played for the club, and was a free agent, before retiring in 2010. He represented the Nigerian national football team from 1995 to 2004, and was part of two Olympic squads, two World Cup squads and three African Cup of Nations squads.
Born in Kaduna, he began his playing career at Nigerian side Plateau United, before moving to Belgian club Anderlecht in 1994, and eventually would make a name for himself, quickly gaining first-choice status although still a teenager. Babayaro set records as the youngest player to make an appearance and to receive a red card in the UEFA Champions League. He was sent off in a match against Steaua Bucuresti in a 1–1 draw, aged 16 years and 86 days.
Now that you know the history, let’s see the team.
Goalkeepers Birthplace Football manager Value Age
Dheeraj Singh IND ATK GK Manipur 24 €0.02 19
Lalthuammawia Ralte IND FC Goa GK Mizoram 20 €0.01 27
Defenders
Salam Ranjan Singh IND ATK CB Manipur 28 €0.02 24
Raju Galkwad IND Kerala Blasters CB Maharashtra 21 €0.01 29
Jerry Lalrinzuala IND Chennaiyin LB Mizoram 27 €0.02 21
Dhanachandra Singh IND Mohun Bagan LB Manipur 22 €0.02 33
Abhishek Ambekar IND East Bengal LB Maharashtra 20 €0.01 28
Chhuantea IND Odisha LWB Mizoram 20 €0.01 31
Robet Lalthlamuana IND Northeast United LWB Mizoram 20 €0.01 31
Rahul Bheke IND Bengaluru RB Maharashtra 33 €0.03 29
Midfielders
Udanta Singh IND Bengaluru CM Manipur 37 €0.04 23
Lallianzuala Chhangte IND Chennaiyin CAM Mizoram 35 €0.04 22
Halicharan Narzary IND Hyderabad CM Assam 30 €0.02 25
Jackichand Singh IND Jamshedpur CM Manipur 30 €0.02 28
Vinit Rai IND Odisha CDM Assam 29 €0.02 22
Amarjit Singh IND Jamshedpur CDM Manipur 29 €0.02 19
Lalrindika Ralte IND East Bengal CM Mizoram 29 €0.02 27
Eugeneson Lyngdoh IND Bengaluru CM Meghalaya 28 €0.02 33
Forwards
Semboi IND Bengaluru ST Manipur 20 €0.01 27
Jeje IND Chennaiyin ST Mizoram 38 €0.03 29
Samuel Lalmuanpula IND Mizoram CAM Mizoram 22 €0.02 21
Komal Thatal IND Sikkim CAM Sikkim 22 €0.02 18
Average/Totals 27 €0.44 25.73
Udanta Singh is the key player in this squad, the right winger doesn’t have the greatest goal record for India but the Bengaluru stalwart was key to an historic 2015-16 season that saw the South Indian club win the I-League while reaching the final of the AFC Cup (Asian Europa league), doing all this at age just 18 saw him voted young player of the year in his homeland.
At 21 years old, Jerry Lalrinzuala was enjoying his fourth season as a regular for Chennaiyin and played every game in a victorious ISL season two years ago, the Mizoram man is one of India’s brightest shining players in a generation.
I honestly can’t wait to see what the damage is to these teams once the tournament is simmed, I think the golden boot will be decided on which world-class striker shows the least mercy, and between his exploits against Panama and swearing on his daughter's life begging for a goal that his hair scored, Harry Kane might be the man to do it.
North & Central Europe
United Kingdom, Ireland, Iceland, Faroe Islands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany
Population (millions): 243.13
Here it is the one you’ve all been waiting for, it’s the last megateam of the tournament and the region that contains Angela Merkal, the Chef from the muppets, and little old me.
The region combines for two world wars and five world cups (doo dah), and is dominated by two of the games fiercest rivals.
Die Mannschaft has seven major honours and football’s most ruthlessly efficient and consistent force, before the disaster of 2018, Germany’s worst finish this century was a bronze medal. Depressingly I had the best summer of my life cheering on an England team that finished fourth overall. With the group stage exit behind them and the Three Lion’s looking to build from their deepest run since 1990, these two nations are producing top players at a frightening rate and will no doubt renew the duel at some point this decade. With 18 of 22 players, the Anglo-Germanic mixture will face an existential crisis if they end up facing a penalty shootout.
The Nordic nations struggle to make an impact in the side, while Sweden and Finland have produced legends in the past like Sami Hyypia, Jari Litmanen, and striking duo Larrsson and Zlatan, Norway are patiently waiting for their newly foraged mix of raw ingredients to rise into a Golden generation. It will be a shock if Erling Braut Haaland and Martin Odegaard don’t become elite in their own rights, while the defensive minded likes of Sander Berge and Kristoffer Ajer may be a few rungs down but are physically capable of going to the top of the game.
Two times World cup runners up and 1976 Euro winners Czechoslovakia join forces once more but fail to grab a speaking role in this all-star cast.
Iceland are the darlings of population stats, whilst they don’t feature in this lineup they’ll be in the crowds showing off their famous synchronized noise making trick.
Goalkeepers Birthplace FM20 Value Age
Marc Andre Ter Stegen GER Barcelona GK Mochengladbach 85 €57.10 27
Manuel Neuer GER Bayern GK Gelsenkirchen 88 €51.20 34
Defenders
Joshua Kimmich GER Bayern RWB Rotweil 80 €53.90 25
Mats Hummels GER Dortmund CB Bergisch Gladbach 83 €62.50 30
Andrew Robertson SCO Liverpool LWB Glasgow 79 €54.40 26
Trent Alexander-Arnold ENG Liverpool RWB Liverpool 80 €61.10 22
Niklas Sule GER Bayern CB Frankfurt 78 €60.10 25
Harry Maguire ENG Man United CB Sheffield 75 €39.00 27
Jerome Boateng GER Bayern CB West Berlin 78 €41.20 32
Milan Skriniar SVK Inter Milan CB Zlar nad Hronom 82 €60.20 25
Midfielders
Raheem Sterling ENG Man City RW Kingston, Jamaica 87 €86.60 26
Toni Kroos GER Real Madrid CM Greifswald 81 €72.30 30
Cristian Eriksen DEN Inter Milan CAM Middelfart 79 €60.90 28
Marco Reus GER Dortmund CAM Dortmund 84 €71.00 30
Leroy Sane GER Man City LW Essen 84 €77.30 24
Jadon Sancho ENG Dortmund RM Camberwell 78 €50.80 20
Thomas Muller GER Bayern CAM Wuilheim 80 €66.70 31
Leon Goretzka GER Bayern CM Bochum 75 €33.40 25
Forwards
Robert Lewandowski POL Bayern ST Warsaw 88 €93.60 32
Harry Kane ENG Tottenham ST London 89 €90.10 26
Timo Werner GER RB Leibzig ST Stuttgart 78 €54.00 24
Gareth Bale WAL Real Madrid RF Cardiff 87 €87.80 31
Average/Totals 82 €1,385.20 27.27
A ridiculous strike-force that begs the question of two up top, Kane and Lewandowski’s play styles may be too similar to gel but leaving one on the bench seems ungrateful. Timo Werner is the more natural second striker while Bale perhaps only makes the side on reputation.
Ever forward-thinking, Germany predicted the grouping in 2017 and chose to develop the world's greatest post-2000 player to date, despite normally batting for the other team. Jadon Sancho hasn’t quite made the mark in an adolescent international career but has his entire 20's ahead of him, the Englishman with all the speed and flare of an Aston Martin, he is positionally and tactically convertible, his meaning his potential has no ceiling. Sancho will most likely contend with Sterling for a spot in the lineup, with an industrious German midfield dominating. Joshua Kimmich holding the obvious way to go.
Liverpool’s wing back pair continue to compete for assists, while solo Slovakian Milan Skriniar should play alongside one of three German centre-halfs. Take your pick from the keepers.
Another contender for the title, not quite as perfect as their western counterparts, but if any team can top them, it might be the region on top of them.
East China
3 Chinese provinces (Henan, Hubei, Shandong)
Population (millions): 242.05
As I near the end, my last supper is a stale Chinese.
Three gargantuan provinces combine to complete the world’s most populous nation. These play home to four teams in the country's top flight, Qingdao Huanghai, Shandong Luneng, Henan Jianye and Wuhan Zall, with Marouane Fellaini the most recognisable name playing in the region, and probably the tallest human around.
China’s greatest goalscorer Hao Haidong was born in Shandong, with Yang Xu approaching his mid-thirties thirteen behind, Hao’s 41 goals for the team in red doesn’t look likely to be beaten anytime soon.
Goalkeepers Birthplace FM20 Value Age
Guo Quanbo CHN Beijing Guoan GK Hubei 37 €1.00 22
Zeng Cheng CHN Shanghau Shenhua GK Hubei 49 €2.90 33
Defenders
Yu Hai CHN Shanghai SIPG LWB Henan 52 €2.50 33
Yu Dabao CHN Beijing Guoan CB Shandong 51 €3.30 32
Zhang Linpeng CHN Guangzhou E CB Shandong 51 €3.70 31
Jiang Zhipeng CHN Heibe China Fortune LB Shandong 51 €3.60 31
He Guan CHN Shanghai SIPG CB Shandong 50 €3.00 27
Mei Fang CHN Guangzhou E CB Hubei 47 €3.10 31
Zheng Zheng CHN Shandong Luneng LB Shandong 47 €3.00 31
Li Lei CHN Beijing Guoan LB Shandong 46 €3.60 27
Midfielders
Hao Junmin CHN Shandong Luneng CM Hubei 54 €2.70 33
Zhang Xizhe CHN Beijing Guoan CAM Hubei 50 €4.50 29
John Hou Saeter CHN Beijing Guoan CDM Trondheim, Norway 46 €4.40 22
Li Hang CHN Wuhan Zall CM Hubei 46 €2.50 31
Zheng Kaimu CHN Jiangsu Suning CDM Hubei 46 €2.40 28
Zheng Long CHN Dalian Yifang LM Shandong 45 €0.38 32
Wang Yongpo CHN Shenzhen RM Shandong 46 €2.00 33
Pedro Delgado CHN Aves CAM Portimao, Portugal 53 €4.80 23
Forwards
Gao Lin CHN Shenzhen CF Henan 53 €1.50 34
Xiao Zhi CHN Guangzhou R&F ST Henan 46 €0.00 34
Shan Huanhuan CHN Dalian Yifang ST Henan 44 €0.36 21
Gao Xiang CHN Qingdao RF Shandong 43 €2.10 31
Average/Totals 48 €57.34 30
The Wuhan clan of Hao Junmin and Zhang Xizhe share 110 national appearances between them and steer a midfield that although the best of the Chinese teams, will struggle to dictate the play in a strong group.
This aging squad is waiting for a new wave of talent, one of only a few teams to exceed an average age of 30.
Third place a near certainty in this group, but they’ll be looking forward to knocking a few past East India.
So there we go, my work is done, I’m working on collaborating with someone to sim the tournament and will have that ready for you ASAP.
I’ll do some spring cleaning on some mistakes in past posts and try to put some of your lineups in there, until then, thanks so much for reading the series, I’m going to go back to playing miniclip pool infront of the Netflix ‘are you still watching’ screen. Cheers!
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2020.04.28 12:17 Fwoggie2 Covid-19 update Tuesday 28th April

Good morning from the UK. It’s Tuesday 28th April.

My wife got an email this morning from her travel insurance company; her coverage is about to expire apparently and the company wants to know if she wants to renew her travel insurance coverage. My wife says it's OK with her if we're uninsured for travel for a while...
(I had to resort to archive.is links today, sorry, the mod-bot was in a bad mood and it refused repeated re-submissions before I gave up and used archive.is instead to get around it).

I failed to mention yesterday that it was the humble shipping container’s 64th birthday; on 27th April 1956 Malcolm McLean loaded 58 trailer vans (what we now call containers) onto a converted world war 2 era oil tanker named SS Ideal-X and off it sailed from Newark to Houston. Watching it sail off into the distance, Freddy Fields, a top official of the International Longshoremen's Association was asked "What do you think of that new ship?" Fields replied, "I'd like to sink that sonofabitch." (Longshoremen are the people who load and unload ships). Longshoremen strikes ensued, but the cost of shipping dropped by a factor of 36 overnight. The age of the container had arrived and in a further visionary move McLean made available his container patents free of charge thus ensuring rapid adaption of global standards in relation to construction and size of the containers. McLean’s company (which ended up being called SeaLand) steadily grew and by the end of the 60s SeaLand was sending over 1,000 containers every month from the US to Vietnam alone for the US military. McLean parted ways with Sealand by 1977 but in 1978 his new company United States Lines placed construction orders with a shipyard for a then world record 4,400 TEU (Twenty Foot Equivalent Unit, a standard measurement in the industry) shipyard. Unfortunately United States Lines went bankrupt shortly after, a victim of very high oil prices at the time.
Last week the Korean container shipping line HMM named its latest container ship HMM Algecerias. Its capacity is 23,964 TEU; more than 5 times the size of the ship McLean ordered 42 years ago. It may be a long time though before HMM Algecerias has a heavily laden voyage; currently there is massive overcapacity in the container shipping industry according to the American Journal of Transportation which clarifies that Maersk has a container ship fleet with a capacity of nearly 4.2m TEUs, MSC has 3.7m TEU fleet capacity while COSCO, CMA-CGM, Hapag Lloyd, ONE and Evergreen all have fleets with over 1m TEU capacity each. Between them (and other smaller operators), they’ve idled 9.2% of the world’s fleet in the past few months because there’s not enough cargo to fill the ships and make them operationally profitable. As for Malcolm McLean - he died in New York in 2001 but the Sealand name lives on as a division of Maersk (it bought SeaLand in Decembe 1999); today SeaLand operates in the Americas. Personally, for several years now I’ve fancied building a home out of shipping containers (much to the amusement of my wife). Maybe I should have a chat with her about it again; I reckon that suitable containers must be really cheap now.
Anyway…

Virus news in depth


Coronavirus: Anger after Panorama programme claims government 'failed to stockpile crucial PPE' - Yahoo News is reporting (as is pretty much every UK news outlet today) on a BBC Panorama show that was aired last night. (For the benefit of non Brits, Panorama is a flagship in-depth investigative program that’s over 50 years old and held in high esteem particularly for a 1995 interview with Princess Diana). There has been anger from health experts after an investigation revealed the government failed to stockpile crucial personal protective equipment (PPE) ahead of the coronavirus pandemic says Yahoo News.
BBC Panorama found there were no gowns, visors, swabs and body bags in the government’s pandemic stockpile when COVID-19 reached the UK. It said vital items were left out of the stockpile when it was set up in 2009 and that the government ignored a warning from its own advisers to buy missing equipment. The programme also claimed the government downgraded its guidance on the severity of COVID-19 as late as 13 March so it could provide a lower level of PPE to health workers. The programme, “Has the Government Failed the NHS?”, claimed the government counted single surgical gloves instead of a pair as one item of PPE with paper towels and cleaning materials such as bleach also counted as units of PPE. One health worker told the programme: “Calling us heroes just makes it okay when we die.”
(Cont’d) COVID-19 was officially designated a High Consequence Infectious Disease (HCID) in January. In 2019, the Health and Safety Executive recommended that all healthcare workers wear a gown, FFP3 respirator mask and visor when dealing with HCIDs. But Panorama said the government downgraded its PPE guidance on 13 March to tell NHS workers they were safe to wear less protective aprons and basic surgical masks - and took steps to remove COVID-19 from its list of HCIDs on the same day. Rather than consult the experts who recommended categorising COVID-19 as HCID, however, the government instead asked its Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP), Panorama said. The programme claimed sources on that committee said the decision was, in part, a decision based on the low availability of PPE.
(Cont’d) Dr Gabriel Scally, a former regional director of public health and honorary professor of public health at the University of Bristol, said the programme was “totally damning” for the government. Labour MP Zarah Sultana said the programme “showed the incredible bravery of NHS staff”. Charlotte Villiers, professor of law at the University of Bristol, tweeted: “How the government can survive and stay in power following that is unfathomable. They are drenched with guilt.”
The episode in question is available to UK residents on iplayer.

Virus news in brief


Sources: BBC news live blog, Guardian live blog, India Today live blog unless otherwise specified










Supply chain news in depth


**USDA (**US Department of Agriculture) let millions of pounds of food rot while food-bank demand soared - Politico reports that Tens of millions of pounds of American-grown produce is rotting in fields as food banks across the country scramble to meet a massive surge in demand, a two-pronged disaster that has deprived farmers of billions of dollars in revenue while millions of newly jobless Americans struggle to feed their families. While other federal agencies quickly adapted their programs to the coronavirus crisis, the Agriculture Department took more than a month to make its first significant move to buy up surplus fruits and vegetables — despite repeated entreaties. Images of farmers destroying tomatoes, piling up squash, burying onions and dumping milk shocked many Americans who remain fearful of supply shortages. At the same time, people who recently lost their jobs lined up for miles outside some food banks, raising questions about why there has been no coordinated response at the federal level to get the surplus of perishable food to more people in need, even as commodity groups, state leaders and lawmakers repeatedly urged the Agriculture Department to step in. Demand at food banks has increased an average of 70 percent, according to Feeding America, which represents about 200 major food banks across the country. The group estimates that 40 percent of those being served are new to the system.
(Cont’d) In mid-April, USDA unveiled a long-awaited $19 billion aid program with $3 billion set aside to buy excess food, a pot of money that would cover a major ramp-up of fresh produce purchases, along with dairy and meats. But federal officials predicted it would take the better part of a month before that food is packed and shipped to food banks and other nonprofits in need. At that point, it will be too late for many produce growers who saw a huge drop in demand right at the peak of their season. “By the time that comes through, it won’t help Florida,” said Brittany Lee, a blueberry farmer and executive director of the Florida Blueberry Growers Association. Blueberry prices are about half of what they were this time last year, she said. The precipitous drop in demand left many growers with no choice but to trash excess food or leave it in the fields because the cost of picking, packing and storing the crops would only put them further in the hole. Some with more resources in hand took on the cost of harvesting and donating the food themselves, but the gut-wrenching reality is that crops are being abandoned on an unprecedented scale.
(Cont’d) Paul Allen, co-owner of RC Hatton Farms, is currently disking hundreds of acres of cabbage — a process that grinds crops into the soil — because there’s simply no market for it. It's heartbreaking to watch, but the cabbage he grows is typically used for coleslaw at restaurant chains like KFC. Allen estimates he’s left about 8 million pounds of cabbage and 4.5 million pounds of green beans in the fields. “We’ve been devastated,” Allen said. His company has already donated hundreds of thousands of pounds of vegetables to food banks. The company also sent containers of produce to the Bahamas and paid for the cost of harvesting to make it all happen. Now, Allen says, he must decide how many of his crops are better left unpicked, not knowing when much of his customer base will be able to reopen for business. “Do I keep taking on more losses?” he said, noting that vegetable growers have already spent several thousands of dollars per acre before harvest. “But if I stop growing food for our country, that’s a bigger problem yet.”
(Cont’d) Produce industry leaders, including Allen, are also furious that USDA plans to impose payment limits for the rest of its aid to farmers affected by coronavirus. The department said in mid-April that agricultural producers would be limited to $125,000 per commodity or $250,000 total to help compensate them for damages as it hands out $16 billion in direct payments. “We begged them not to put a cap on it,” Allen said. Farmers who grow fruits and vegetables have extremely high costs per acre and often plant at such a large scale that the payments won’t even begin to cover their losses. It typically costs less than $700 per acre to grow commodity soybeans. It costs more than $4,000 per acre to grow cabbage. “What is fair is not always equal,” he said. While $250,000 is a lot of money for most Americans, it represents about one day's harvest for RC Hatton. The scale of produce waste is staggering. Farmers in Florida, which provides much of the fresh produce to the eastern half of the U.S. during the winter and spring, left about 75 percent of the lettuce crop unharvested, along with significant portions of the state’s sweet corn, cabbage and squash. Up to 250 million pounds of tomatoes could end up left in the fields, according to the Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services. Florida officials estimate produce growers there have taken a half a billion dollar hit. In California, the industry is projected to lose more than $1 billion per month.

Supply chain news in brief











Good/Wholesome news section (it’s back and I have found a rich seam of stories)










Donations

Several asked if they can send me $/£/€ via Patreon (in some cases because I've saved them time or money, others for no reason at all). I don't need the cash (that's lovely though) but as you may have read above, food bank charities are getting really hit hard with all this panic buying. Please consider giving whatever you'd have given me to a foodbank charity instead:
UK: https://www.trusselltrust.org/
France: https://www.banquealimentaire.org/
Germany: https://www.tafel.de/
Netherlands: https://www.voedselbankennederland.nl/steun-ons/steun-voedselbank-donatie/
Italy: https://www.bancoalimentare.it/it/node/1
Spain: https://www.fesbal.org/
Australia: https://www.foodbank.org.au/
Canada: https://www.foodbankscanada.ca/
USA: https://www.feedingamerica.org/
Thanks in advance for any donations you give. If there's foodbank charities in your country and it's not listed above, please suggest it and I will include it going forward.
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2020.04.27 02:42 SuperTavin How can I return the total amount of precipitation for my given data?

My data looks like
Average,City,Code,Direction,Date,Maximum,Minimum,Month,Precipitation,WindSpeed,State,Day,Year 39,Birmingham,BHM,33,1/3/2016,46,32,1,0,4.33,Alabama,3,2016 39,Huntsville,HSV,32,1/3/2016,47,31,1,0,3.86,Alabama,3,2016 46,Mobile,MOB,35,1/3/2016,51,41,1,0.16,9.73,Alabama,3,2016 45,Montgomery,MGM,32,1/3/2016,52,38,1,0,6.86,Alabama,3,2016 34,Anchorage,ANC,19,1/3/2016,38,29,1,0.01,7.8,Alaska,3,2016 38,Annette,ANN,9,1/3/2016,44,31,1,0.09,8.7,Alaska,3,2016 ... 
This is my code
columns = ['City', 'State', 'Wind Speed'] parsed = [] with open(r"C:\Users\Tavin\Downloads\Python\weather-jan-2016.txt", 'r') as f: for line in f.read().splitlines()[1:]: data = line.split(',') parsed.append({ 'City': data[1], 'State': data[-3], 'Wind Speed': data[-4], 'Date': data[4], 'Precipitation': data[-5]}) width = max(len(item[col]) for col in columns for item in parsed) + 2 print(''.join(word.ljust(width) for word in columns)) #for item in parsed: #print(''.join(item[col].ljust(width) for col in columns)) parsed.append({ 'City': data[1], 'State': data[-3], 'Wind Speed': data[-4], 'Date': data[4]}) max = parsed[0] for item in parsed: if item['Wind Speed'] > max['Wind Speed']: max = item print(max['Wind Speed']) test =(" The city with the highest recorded wind speed is") testx = test.rstrip() print(testx) print('City',' Date',' Wind Speed') print(max['City']," ",max['Date']," ",max['Wind Speed']) totalprecip = sum['Precipitation'] in ['Missouri'] print(totalprecip) 
I am trying to add together the total amount of precipitation for all of the listed cities in Missouri. I thought it would be as simple as adding the sum of all precipitation in Missouri, but it seems more complex than that. Can someone help me out?
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2020.04.26 22:43 SuperTavin How do I separate my data into 3 separate columns

I'm stuck on this assignment for my python class. This is my first time using a python compiler so it's been kind of weird starting with coding from the textbook and switching to a program to code on. My question is:
How can I separate of file of data into different columns:
Average,City,Code,Direction,Date,Maximum,Minimum,Month,Precipitation,WindSpeed,State,Day,Year 39,Birmingham,BHM,33,1/3/2016,46,32,1,0,4.33,Alabama,3,2016 39,Huntsville,HSV,32,1/3/2016,47,31,1,0,3.86,Alabama,3,2016 46,Mobile,MOB,35,1/3/2016,51,41,1,0.16,9.73,Alabama,3,2016 45,Montgomery,MGM,32,1/3/2016,52,38,1,0,6.86,Alabama,3,2016 34,Anchorage,ANC,19,1/3/2016,38,29,1,0.01,7.8,Alaska,3,2016 38,Annette,ANN,9,1/3/2016,44,31,1,0.09,8.7,Alaska,3,2016 ... 
Since this is a file that I'm opening up in the python program I'm not sure if it works like a list or not. I think I could do something like this?
City = DataList[1] State = DataList[-3] WindSpeed = DataList[-4] 
I'm not allowed to use Pandas or anything like that.
I have to use at least 1 for loop and have my data look like this:
City State Wind Speed Mobile Alabama 9.73 Anchorage Alaska 7.80 ... 
If anyone could help me work through this that would be greatly appreciated!!!
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2020.04.23 20:44 SuperTavin How do I use data from a file on my computer?

I have this assignment for my python class where I have to files of data. The data looks like this:
first file
39,Birmingham,BHM,33,1/3/2016,46,32,1,0,4.33,Alabama,3,2016 39,Huntsville,HSV,32,1/3/2016,47,31,1,0,3.86,Alabama,3,2016 46,Mobile,MOB,35,1/3/2016,51,41,1,0.16,9.73,Alabama,3,2016 45,Montgomery,MGM,32,1/3/2016,52,38,1,0,6.86,Alabama,3,2016 34,Anchorage,ANC,19,1/3/2016,38,29,1,0.01,7.8,Alaska,3,2016 38,Annette,ANN,9,1/3/2016,44,31,1,0.09,8.7,Alaska,3,2016 ...
second file
Average,City,Code,Direction,Date,Maximum,Minimum,Month,Precipitation,WindSpeed,State,Day,Year 39,Birmingham,BHM,33,1/3/2016,46,32,1,0,4.33,Alabama,3,2016 39,Huntsville,HSV,32,1/3/2016,47,31,1,0,3.86,Alabama,3,2016 ...
I'm supposed to use the data to print a table with each city that has a recorded wind speed above 7.5 mph. Include a header before the table. Use a fixed width for each column. Print the wind speed using 2 digits after the decimal point.
I'm not sure how I would start, Do I have to save the files and somehow call to the files in my code? can someone help me out here
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2020.04.18 00:13 BenedictXIII_BLACK The Horror in the Hotel

I've been exploring deserted buildings for a few years now, 'urban exploring' as they call it. Me and two friends (who'd want to remain anonymous) had started checking out old buildings while we were at university in Birmingham. We didn't live too far apart after graduation so we would usually try and met up every month and go exploring - trying to keep that spirit of being the boys, being mates. We'd been meaning to explore somewhere in the country for a while. We’d done the urban stuff - churches (creepy), a hospital (sketchy), any number of abandoned old office blocks , and even an old schoolhouse once. You get the idea - northern English cities have got urban decay down to a fine art. But the trouble was - a lot of the places we'd explore were already documented online - and we didn't feel like explorers at all, more like tourists. The whole point of these nocturnal expeditions was to capture a sense of adventure and exploration.
We started doing research online, looking for our next location. We wanted somewhere that wasn’t everywhere on the internet. We were looking for something a little bit off the beaten track. Anyway, we found an old hotel. It was called The Claremont - and is in northern England, I cannot really be more specific - its isolated, a fair few miles from the nearest town. I apologise for being so vague, but I have my reasons as you will understand (and considering this is the internet if anyone really wanted to find the hotel they could do so).
The hotel had been deserted for decades. Ownership of the property was being contested in the courts and had been for years - leaving the building fall ever further into dereliction. But we didn't intend to ask for permission to enter - we never do, it kind of spoils the thrill - sure, its trespassing. Though equally, we wouldn't ever damage or steal anything. We take photos and that's it.
The Claremont was built in 1911, only a few years before the outbreak of World War I. As you can imagine the war meant the hotel didn’t take off, instead it eventually found a use as a hospital for injured soldiers. After the war, the hotel continued to struggle. The economy was depressed and it wasn’t until the mid-1930s when the hotel business started to pick up. However World War II soon saw the hotel’s return to usage as a hospice for injured soldiers.
After the war the hotel once again tried to establish itself but the restricted post-war economy and continuance of rationing made lavish resort hotels such as this redundant.
The hotel has been abandoned in the decades since. The legal battle for ownership has been going on for some years now. The complications seemingly stemmed from the fact that a number of the property’s beneficiaries had passed away or emigrated.
The night we drove down was clear and very chilly for April. The three of us where well-stocked up - cameras, extra batteries, food, and a bit of brandy to keep out the chill.
The journey went quickly. We were excited (as we always were) to go exploring. We planned each trip meticulously and so even though we headed ever deeper into the countryside we knew where we going. Eventually we found the motorway turn off and negotiated the myriad country lanes - until we arrived at the turn off to the hotel itself. There were no signs, and the night was very dark as there was no moon.
The road to the hotel was more like a gravel driveway. We turned the car’s lights off as we didn’t want to be seen by any security guards (however unlikely it would be to encounter any here) and slowly made our way down the tree flanked driveway.
As the lights were off, visibility was shit - only a few yards in front - driving down the path seemed to take an age. The car bounced off dozens of potholes. At last, the hotel was in sight.
Neglect and the passage of time had conspired against the building - it was crumbling, soon the decay would surely be so bad that the building would need to be pulled down. The majority of the windows were smashed. The main entrance doors were padlocked with a heavy chain and an assortment of warning posters prohibited entry.
The building displayed some vestiges of its Edwardian glamour but the intervening decades had been cruel, stripping the building to a shell of its former self.
We walked around the outside of the hotel to gain our barings and also to make sure we were alone. Satisfied that there were no security patrols, the three of us entered through one of the many smashed windows into what was once a restaurant/dining area.
Almost straight away, there was something not quite right. Its hard to explain but all three of us were creeped out in a way that we had never been previously. We were no strangers to this sort of thing - we'd explored a Victorian era hospital before now and that was the definition of creepy. I think the smell was a warning too - it was an overpowering damp smell, acrid. I remember saying at the time how a stench like this would give you a headache.
We explored the ground floor; comprising of a reception and lobby area, bar, small casino/gaming room, the hotel kitchens, and a tea room conservatory. Most of the furniture had been removed - and that which remained was rotten and smashed. The glass conservatory was covered in broken glass and we didn’t spend long there, fearful of a falling shard.
We debated leaving at this stage. There was something just not right about the place - and one of my friends complained about the onset of a headache - the foul mouldy smell no doubt. But on the other hand, we had travelled quite a long way to come here and it would feel like short-changing ourselves to leave without at least exploring a couple of the guest rooms and getting a few more pictures.
We ascended the main stairs to the second floor. The building was only two storeys high so we anticipated that we would be soon finished exploring and be on our way home. The damp mouldy smell was even stronger and it couldn't be too healthy to be breathing it in for that long.
We started to look through some of the guest rooms. Like as the ground floor, tt appeared that much of the furniture had been removed, only the occasional bed frame or cabinet remained. We wouldn't spend too long looking around essentially empty rooms.
But the rooms were not all empty - I think it was the third room we looked in.
There were a few squat red candles that were atop a bedside table - though they were not lit. And the bed itself looked to have been occupied recently, whoever had slept there had used newspaper as bedding.
On the ceiling was some graffiti - the quote "Abandon hope, ye who enter here"
And while the graffiti was hardly original - after all its a well known quote from Dante's Inferno - what separated this graffiti from more normal graffiti was the fact that it looked to have been smeared on the ceiling using mud (or without wishing to put too fine a point on it, smeared in something visually similar to mud). And considering that the hotel had been empty for years, it was surprising that this was the first graffiti we had come across. It really freaked us out - who would write this and take the time to write it on the ceiling - and what the hell did they use for ink?
In the next room, there was more weirdness and really this was our opportunity (and sign) to leave.
Again, there was graffiti - but this time it was a small spidery yet neat script and it appeared as through the writing had been done with a biro pen. There were literally thousands upon thousands of words written on the wall. We took stock of a few sample passages; all on the theme of headaches - how the pain affects their vision and hearing and even thoughts. How it stops them from sleeping. How when the headaches come they couldn't remember things. We took dozens and dozens of pictures.
What we had seen so far was weird - and certainly a tale to tell at parties, but it was nothing more than strange. In the next room however, there were 7 dates written on the wall (again written with 'mud'). I can’t for the life of me remember what they were - they were all about 5 to 10 years ago. I've even had hypnosis to try and recall what the dates were but to no avail.
Adjoined to this bedroom was an en suite bathroom Well, the police have asked the three of us to not disclose certain details. From the looks of things this bathroom was being used to develop photographs - like a darkroom. There were chemicals and trays used in developing photographs scattered about the room. But most striking were the dozen black and white photos hanging from the shower curtain rail. There are certain details the police have requested we don't disclose publicly.
The photos were of people; men woman, black white, old and young. Many of the photos looked as though the person taking the photo had tried to remain hidden from the person they are photographing. It looked like they were taken from behind bushes or foliage, giving the impression the photographer was spying on them. Other photos of the same people were quite clearly crime scenes - and these are the pictures the police don't want us to talk about. It was time to get out of there.
But as we turned to leave - we heard a voice.
Now it would be pointless to try to describe how we felt hearing the voice - scared doesn't quite cover it. The voice was coming from someone standing in the corner of the room. He was facing the wall and we had not noticed him before as he was standing behind a wardrobe.
“Please leave now,” said the man, in an English accent I couldn't quite place.
Lit up now by our three torches, we could see that despite having the physique of a boy, it was actually an old man (though he had jet black hair). He was dressed in a suit - it was threadbare and and covered in smears of muck.
“What if I visited you in your house in the middle of the night?” He gently shook his head though he continued to face the wall. His voice had a sing-song quality. The three of us were frozen with fear (despite us outnumbering him and him being of a small stature).
“You wouldn’t like it would you if I came to your houses?” He stressed the word 'I' churlishly - sounding like a petulant child. His head shaking became twitchy and for some reason I prayed he didn't turn around. I just felt a very strong aversion to seeing his face.
The three of us were incredibly scared, I needn't dwell on it too much.
One of my friends said that we'd leave and that there was no harm done and that we'd never come back. The man told us to leave our cameras on the floor. We did so without question. The man never turned from facing the wall in the corner.
The last thing he said was; "There is no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery."
We ran then - you know, I mean we really ran - like we flew back to the car. We drove home - in silence. Speed limits were 70mph - we were doing 120 easy.
We spoke to the police later that night - and told them everything. They didn't believe us at first but we insisted. Finally the police agreed to visit the hotel and they found a lot of what we said would be there and took statements from us. Apparently the dates written on the wall had been smudged so that they were now completely illegible and the photos were gone. They said they couldn't tell us much as it's an ongoing investigation.
All this was a few weeks ago and I've only just left the police station again having left my second statement. I'm just sitting in my car now. I don't know where to go or what to do. I thought I'd write this as it gives me an excuse to sit outside the police station longer. I can't go home - its not safe. When I woke up this morning there was a photo on my bedside table. It was a picture of me sleeping - whoever had taken it was standing next to my bed. And written on this photo in an all too recognisable spidery handwriting was another quote from Dante's Inferno: "The more a thing is perfect, the more it feels pleasure and pain"
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2020.04.17 22:28 BenedictXIII_BLACK The Horror in the Hotel

I've been exploring deserted buildings for a few years now, 'urban exploring' as they call it. Me and two friends (who'd want to remain anonymous) had started checking out old buildings while we were at university in Birmingham. We didn't live too far apart after graduation so we would usually try and met up every month and go exploring - trying to keep that spirit of being the boys, being mates. We'd been meaning to explore somewhere in the country for a while. We’d done the urban stuff - churches (creepy), a hospital (sketchy), any number of abandoned old office blocks , and even an old schoolhouse once. You get the idea - northern English cities have got urban decay down to a fine art. But the trouble was - a lot of the places we'd explore were already documented online - and we didn't feel like explorers at all, more like tourists. The whole point of these nocturnal expeditions was to capture a sense of adventure and exploration.
We started doing research online, looking for our next location. We wanted somewhere that wasn’t everywhere on the internet. We were looking for something a little bit off the beaten track. Anyway, we found an old hotel. It was called The Claremont - and is in northern England, I cannot really be more specific - its isolated, a fair few miles from the nearest town. I apologise for being so vague, but I have my reasons as you will understand (and considering this is the internet if anyone really wanted to find the hotel they could do so).
The hotel had been deserted for decades. Ownership of the property was being contested in the courts and had been for years - leaving the building fall ever further into dereliction. But we didn't intend to ask for permission to enter - we never do, it kind of spoils the thrill - sure, its trespassing. Though equally, we wouldn't ever damage or steal anything. We take photos and that's it.
The Claremont was built in 1911, only a few years before the outbreak of World War I. As you can imagine the war meant the hotel didn’t take off, instead it eventually found a use as a hospital for injured soldiers. After the war, the hotel continued to struggle. The economy was depressed and it wasn’t until the mid-1930s when the hotel business started to pick up. However World War II soon saw the hotel’s return to usage as a hospice for injured soldiers.
After the war the hotel once again tried to establish itself but the restricted post-war economy and continuance of rationing made lavish resort hotels such as this redundant.
The hotel has been abandoned in the decades since. The legal battle for ownership has been going on for some years now. The complications seemingly stemmed from the fact that a number of the property’s beneficiaries had passed away or emigrated.
The night we drove down was clear and very chilly for April. The three of us where well-stocked up - cameras, extra batteries, food, and a bit of brandy to keep out the chill.
The journey went quickly. We were excited (as we always were) to go exploring. We planned each trip meticulously and so even though we headed ever deeper into the countryside we knew where we going. Eventually we found the motorway turn off and negotiated the myriad country lanes - until we arrived at the turn off to the hotel itself. There were no signs, and the night was very dark as there was no moon.
The road to the hotel was more like a gravel driveway. We turned the car’s lights off as we didn’t want to be seen by any security guards (however unlikely it would be to encounter any here) and slowly made our way down the tree flanked driveway.
As the lights were off, visibility was shit - only a few yards in front - driving down the path seemed to take an age. The car bounced off dozens of potholes. At last, the hotel was in sight.
Neglect and the passage of time had conspired against the building - it was crumbling, soon the decay would surely be so bad that the building would need to be pulled down. The majority of the windows were smashed. The main entrance doors were padlocked with a heavy chain and an assortment of warning posters prohibited entry.
The building displayed some vestiges of its Edwardian glamour but the intervening decades had been cruel, stripping the building to a shell of its former self.
We walked around the outside of the hotel to gain our barings and also to make sure we were alone. Satisfied that there were no security patrols, the three of us entered through one of the many smashed windows into what was once a restaurant/dining area.
Almost straight away, there was something not quite right. Its hard to explain but all three of us were creeped out in a way that we had never been previously. We were no strangers to this sort of thing - we'd explored a Victorian era hospital before now and that was the definition of creepy. I think the smell was a warning too - it was an overpowering damp smell, acrid. I remember saying at the time how a stench like this would give you a headache.
We explored the ground floor; comprising of a reception and lobby area, bar, small casino/gaming room, the hotel kitchens, and a tea room conservatory. Most of the furniture had been removed - and that which remained was rotten and smashed. The glass conservatory was covered in broken glass and we didn’t spend long there, fearful of a falling shard.
We debated leaving at this stage. There was something just not right about the place - and one of my friends complained about the onset of a headache - the foul mouldy smell no doubt. But on the other hand, we had travelled quite a long way to come here and it would feel like short-changing ourselves to leave without at least exploring a couple of the guest rooms and getting a few more pictures.
We ascended the main stairs to the second floor. The building was only two storeys high so we anticipated that we would be soon finished exploring and be on our way home. The damp mouldy smell was even stronger and it couldn't be too healthy to be breathing it in for that long.
We started to look through some of the guest rooms. Like as the ground floor, tt appeared that much of the furniture had been removed, only the occasional bed frame or cabinet remained. We wouldn't spend too long looking around essentially empty rooms.
But the rooms were not all empty - I think it was the third room we looked in.
There were a few squat red candles that were atop a bedside table - though they were not lit. And the bed itself looked to have been occupied recently, whoever had slept there had used newspaper as bedding.
On the ceiling was some graffiti - the quote "Abandon hope, ye who enter here"
And while the graffiti was hardly original - after all its a well known quote from Dante's Inferno - what separated this graffiti from more normal graffiti was the fact that it looked to have been smeared on the ceiling using mud (or without wishing to put too fine a point on it, smeared in something visually similar to mud). And considering that the hotel had been empty for years, it was surprising that this was the first graffiti we had come across. It really freaked us out - who would write this and take the time to write it on the ceiling - and what the hell did they use for ink?
In the next room, there was more weirdness and really this was our opportunity (and sign) to leave.
Again, there was graffiti - but this time it was a small spidery yet neat script and it appeared as through the writing had been done with a biro pen. There were literally thousands upon thousands of words written on the wall. We took stock of a few sample passages; all on the theme of headaches - how the pain affects their vision and hearing and even thoughts. How it stops them from sleeping. How when the headaches come they couldn't remember things. We took dozens and dozens of pictures.
What we had seen so far was weird - and certainly a tale to tell at parties, but it was nothing more than strange. In the next room however, there were 7 dates written on the wall (again written with 'mud'). I can’t for the life of me remember what they were - they were all about 5 to 10 years ago. I've even had hypnosis to try and recall what the dates were but to no avail.
Adjoined to this bedroom was an en suite bathroom Well, the police have asked the three of us to not disclose certain details. From the looks of things this bathroom was being used to develop photographs - like a darkroom. There were chemicals and trays used in developing photographs scattered about the room. But most striking were the dozen black and white photos hanging from the shower curtain rail. There are certain details the police have requested we don't disclose publicly.
The photos were of people; men woman, black white, old and young. Many of the photos looked as though the person taking the photo had tried to remain hidden from the person they are photographing. It looked like they were taken from behind bushes or foliage, giving the impression the photographer was spying on them. Other photos of the same people were quite clearly crime scenes - and these are the pictures the police don't want us to talk about. It was time to get out of there.
But as we turned to leave - we heard a voice.
Now it would be pointless to try to describe how we felt hearing the voice - scared doesn't quite cover it. The voice was coming from someone standing in the corner of the room. He was facing the wall and we had not noticed him before as he was standing behind a wardrobe.
“Please leave now,” said the man, in an English accent I couldn't quite place.
Lit up now by our three torches, we could see that despite having the physique of a boy, it was actually an old man (though he had jet black hair). He was dressed in a suit - it was threadbare and and covered in smears of muck.
“What if I visited you in your house in the middle of the night?” He gently shook his head though he continued to face the wall. His voice had a sing-song quality. The three of us were frozen with fear (despite us outnumbering him and him being of a small stature).
“You wouldn’t like it would you if I came to your houses?” He stressed the word 'I' churlishly - sounding like a petulant child. His head shaking became twitchy and for some reason I prayed he didn't turn around. I just felt a very strong aversion to seeing his face.
The three of us were incredibly scared, I needn't dwell on it too much.
One of my friends said that we'd leave and that there was no harm done and that we'd never come back. The man told us to leave our cameras on the floor. We did so without question. The man never turned from facing the wall in the corner.
The last thing he said was; "There is no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery."
We ran then - you know, I mean we really ran - like we flew back to the car. We drove home - in silence. Speed limits were 70mph - we were doing 120 easy.
We spoke to the police later that night - and told them everything. They didn't believe us at first but we insisted. Finally the police agreed to visit the hotel and they found a lot of what we said would be there and took statements from us. Apparently the dates written on the wall had been smudged so that they were now completely illegible and the photos were gone. They said they couldn't tell us much as it's an ongoing investigation.
All this was a few weeks ago and I've only just left the police station again having left my second statement. I'm just sitting in my car now. I don't know where to go or what to do. I thought I'd write this as it gives me an excuse to sit outside the police station longer. I can't go home - its not safe. When I woke up this morning there was a photo on my bedside table. It was a picture of me sleeping - whoever had taken it was standing next to my bed. And written on this photo in an all too recognisable spidery handwriting was another quote from Dante's Inferno: "The more a thing is perfect, the more it feels pleasure and pain"
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2020.04.11 05:21 adotmatrix Coronavirus: why there’s no quick fix for a Covid-19 vaccine - SCMP

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3079375/coronavirus-why-theres-no-quick-fix-covid-19-vaccine
For months, vaccinologist Sarah Gilbert has been in a race against time, working seven days a week to develop a vaccine for the coronavirus that causes the potentially lethal disease Covid-19.
Gilbert and her fellow researchers at Oxford University face a myriad of technical challenges and potential complications in their quest to defeat the virus that has claimed 100,000 lives and crippled economies worldwide.
Yet, one far more mundane obstacle overshadows them all: money.
Gilbert, a professor at Oxford’s Jenner Institute & Nuffield Department of Clinical Medicine, estimates her team needs up to £100 million (US$123 million) by June to succeed in their goal of developing a proven vaccine and partnering with a drug maker to manufacture it on a mass scale by autumn – a time frame up to a year shorter than those set by major pharmaceutical companies such as GlaxoSmithKline.
According to the World Health Organisation, more than 60 separate teams in about a dozen countries are involved in the global sprint to develop a coronavirus vaccine, comprising major pharmaceutical companies, biotech start-ups, government-run institutes and universities ranging from the University of Queensland to Johnson & Johnson and the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention.
Gilbert said she believed her team has made the most progress so far and is likely to be first to reach the crucial milestone of showing vaccine efficacy.
Despite this, she is only “optimistic, but not confident” the money she needs will arrive in time – or even at all.
“I don’t think the people with the money have really quite adjusted yet to what the vaccine developers need,” said Gilbert, who kick-started work on a coronavirus vaccine with a sum of about £500,000.
The funds were provided by the British government-funded Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council and originally intended for other vaccines.
“I think in the minds of governments and the layperson, that’s for later. Because there’s such a demand for ventilators and personal protective equipment, that’s all anybody can think about now.” Gilbert said.
In recent weeks, Gilbert, who previously has worked on vaccines for Mers, the Nipah virus and Lassa fever, has spent countless hours filling out grant applications, searching for new funding partners and seeking approval to repurpose research funding earmarked for other uses – time she would have rather spent at the lab utilising her scientific expertise.
“A lot of academic funding these days is very, very constrained in what it can be spent on,” said Gilbert, whose work so far has been supported by university funds and government grants.
“There’s a very precise and detailed plan. That’s fine if the plan is what’s required. But when you need a new plan, when something else has happened, you need the flexible funding to be able to respond to that,” she said.
The financial and bureaucratic hurdles facing the Oxford team indicate a mismatch between resources and incentives at the heart of vaccine development that could complicate the global effort to resolve a crisis that has focused the world’s attention like few problems in living memory.
Put simply, pharmaceutical companies that possess the means to fund expensive new vaccines often lack the motivation, seeing greater returns in treatments for chronic conditions such as diabetes and high cholesterol.
On the flip side, universities, publicly funded institutes and biotech start-ups that have the inclination and ability to step into the gap often lack the means.
The sheer scale of the crisis wrought by Covid-19 has spurred major firms to get involved, but belatedly and only with heavy state backing.
Pharmaceutical giants Johnson & Johnson and French multinational Sanofi are both relying on taxpayer-funded work by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, a division of the US Department of Health and Human Services, to underpin their work on a vaccine.
“Until this model is fixed at the economic level, development of infectious disease treatments and vaccines will continue to face uphill battles,” said Ooi Eng Oong, deputy director of the Emerging Infectious Diseases Programme at the Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore.
TOO COSTLY, TOO RISKY
Vaccine development is extremely costly and, from a business perspective, risky work.
Once a potential vaccine is created in a lab, it must go through three stages of clinical trials involving human subjects, culminating in Phase III trials during which a target population is administered the vaccine to test its effectiveness.
Multinational pharmaceutical companies such as Pfizer, GSK and Johnson & Johnson claim to spend between US$1 billion and US$2 billion to take a vaccine from the lab to its roll-out among the general population, a process typically taking 5 to 10 years and sometimes longer.
Michael Kinch, director of the Centre for Research Innovation in Biotechnology and Drug Discovery at Washington University in St Louis, said the major drug companies generally viewed vaccine development as high in risk and low in reward.
“The technology for most vaccines is not as advanced as for other more sexy technologies that can garner higher prices and thus revenues,” Kinch said.
Balking at the cost of in-house research, major drug companies have slashed R&D budgets in recent years to focus on the late-stage development and manufacturing of treatments pioneered externally – often by publicly funded entities such as government institutes and universities.
All 210 new drugs approved by the US Food and Drug Administration between 2010 and 2016 were developed with funding from the National Institutes of Health, which distributes about 80 per cent of its US$40 billion annual spend on medical research to more than 2,500 universities and research institutes worldwide.
Given the reliance of industry on publicly funded research, resource issues at the university or research-institute level have the potential to dramatically affect the range of treatments that ultimately come online.
“Big Pharma generally do not have research divisions anymore,­ they gave those away when they found their research was three times as expensive per drug developed than ones sourced from academia,” said Ian Frazer, a professor at the University of Queensland who co-invented the human papillomavirus vaccine. “Industry only gets involved in manufacturing and marketing a likely successful product.”
Frazer said that failing to address shortfalls in academic research funding would leave countries unprepared for future threats to the public health.
“We run the risk that our labs won’t be ready for the next pandemic with the latest technologies in protein chemistry, genomics, crystallography, etc,” he said, referring to scientific techniques with applications in vaccine development.
Some academics see pitfalls, too, in collaborating with powerful industry players.
“The biggest challenge with such studies is that the research question and protocol are developed by industry and brought to academia for implementation,” said Keymanthri Moodley, director of the Centre for Medical Ethics at Stellenbosch University in South Africa. “It is not an authentic collaboration from the start, with sharing of ideas and equal partnership.”
The technical demand“I think the system works fairly well in the sense that primary research should be done at the academia level because it’s much more varied,” said Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Centre at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine.
“You want hundreds of scientists working on this – all of them have different ideas. Then you want industry to step in and do the hard part, which is the research of development.”
Other major drug companies have eyed collaboration with biotech start-ups – which are often seen as being more innovative and agile than their Big Pharma counterparts – such as in the case of Pfizer’s partnership to develop a vaccine with German company BioNTech.
“Fortunately there are many biotechnology companies but unless they have adequate funding they cannot develop a vaccine beyond Phase I, after which they also need pharmaceutical money,” said Stanley Plotkin, an emeritus professor at the Wistar Institute and University of Pennsylvania who invented the rubella vaccine in the late 1960s.
INNOVATIVE, BUT POOR
It is such concerns about the most innovative players not receiving adequate funding that spurred the establishment of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), following the lacklustre global response to the 2014-2016 Ebola outbreak in West Africa, which killed more than 11,000 people.
Even though Ebola had been known about since the late 1970s, there was no vaccine available at the height of the crisis.s of producing a vaccine on a mass scale mean that research institutes and smaller start-ups will eventually need to partner with bigger players if they have not already to bring their creations to the public.
Despite the declining focus of major drug companies on innovation, there are potential advantages to such a division between the research and late-stage development process.
Because outbreaks of infectious disease often subside over time or are contained before infecting huge numbers of people, the financial incentive to develop a vaccine can be weak until a major public health crisis is under way – particularly in poorer regions where the prospects of reaping large profits are slim.
In an echo of that slow response in West Africa, Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, lamented as late as mid-February that major pharmaceutical companies had yet to “step up” and commit to manufacturing a vaccine.
“Companies that have the skill to be able to do it are not going to just sit around and have a warm facility, ready to go for when you need it,” Fauci said.
Publicly funded institutes that are not driven by profit similarly struggle to attract support once a disease drops out of the public consciousness.
In 2016, researchers at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, developed a vaccine for severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), but could not attract funding for human trials because by that point there had not been any new cases for more than a decade.
Those researchers are now again seeking funding to resume work on their vaccine out of a conviction it could be effective against the novel coronavirus, also known as SARS-CoV-2.
The newer virus shares 80 per cent of its genetic structure with Sars, which killed nearly 800 people in mainland China and Hong Kong between 2002 and 2003.
“For vaccine development, the greatest threat is the episodic nature of pandemics,” said Jerome Kim, director general of the International Vaccine Institute (IVI), a South Korea-based non-profit organisation set up as an initiative of the United Nations Development Programme.
“Often by the time a vaccine reaches tests in humans, the epidemic has abated. Funding goes away, even though the threat of future epidemics by the same pathogen continues.”
REASONS FOR HOPE
Established by the government of Norway, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Wellcome Trust, the World Economic Forum, and India’s Department of Biotechnology in 2016, CEPI raises money from governments and philanthropic sources to quickly fund the development and manufacture of vaccines for emerging infectious diseases that struggle to attract private investment.
Already, the organisation has been credited with getting the development of a number of potential vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 under way at an unprecedented pace.
The Oslo-based group has so far committed funding to eight vaccine-related projects involving partners including the University of Queensland, the University of Hong Kong and US biotech firm Inovio Pharmaceuticals.
With the ultimate success of any one initiative impossible to determine at this stage, CEPI is aiming to produce at least three viable vaccine candidates that can be licensed for use among the public.
One candidate developed by Moderna, a Cambridge, Massachusetts, biotech firm that is yet to commercialise any products, and the NIH is already a month into Phase I clinical trials.
The company, which previously worked on a Mers vaccine and is using a new development platform called messenger RNA, believes its vaccine could be ready for emergency use by health care workers before the end of this year, although a version for general use is still not expected for 12-18 months.
“Every one of the major companies has a SARS-2 project, so they are not slacking,” said Plotkin. “However, the most inventive projects are being done by biotechs which will need to convince major companies to produce large quantities. There could be more collaboration between the two, and for that matter a central body to enhance collaboration. CEPI fulfils that role in part, but not sufficiently.”
Although there is potential overlap in the work of so many different groups across academia and industry, experts say there is a strong case for funding multiple approaches. For every 10 vaccines created in a lab, nine fail to make it to the approval stage.
“I don’t think we know enough about SARS-CoV-2 to be able to predict which vaccine candidate would work,” said Ooi. “But I think it is very important for us to take multiple shots at goal to make sure that at least one vaccine candidate would cross the line and work to prevent Covid-19. That there are many groups working on vaccines, to me, is a very good thing.”
CEPI has funding challenges of its own, even after receiving large sums in recent weeks from donors including Britain, Germany, Canada, Denmark and Norway.
So far, it has been able to raise only a little over one-third of the US$2 billion it asked for in an urgent call for funding on March 14.
For researchers, accessing what money is available from the organisation, which did not respond to requests for comment, comes with a considerable amount of red tape.
“The T&Cs CEPI has accepted from their funders mean that it is a complex process for them to award funding to anyone,” said Gilbert, who has received some funding from the organisation.
Other entities besides CEPI, both public and private, have also turned to approaches outside the traditional vaccine funding and development process.
Microsoft founder-turned-philanthropist Bill Gates has announced plans to preemptively fund the construction of manufacturing plants for seven of the most promising vaccine candidates before it becomes clear which vaccine or vaccines are safe and effective.
The move, which will see billions of dollars effectively wasted to create manufacturing capacity that will never get used, aims to save valuable months that would otherwise be spent waiting for the most promising vaccine to emerge.
The US government has sealed deals with Johnson & Johnson and Moderna to produce large quantities of vaccines before any candidate is shown to work.
“The Covid-19 outbreak is obviously unlike anything we have encountered in living memory and efforts are now galvanising to pursue promising vaccine candidates,” said Robin May, director of the Institute of Microbiology and Infection at the University of Birmingham.
SAFETY LIMITS
Underscoring the urgency for a vaccine, the pandemic has controversially spurred the use of countless experimental treatments to try to treat Covid-19.
Unproven treatments being administered by some doctors include hydroxychloroquine, the antimalarial drug championed by US President Donald Trump, and the antiviral medication remdesivir, neither of which have undergone clinical trials to prove their safety and effectiveness.
But even with an unprecedented focusing of attention and resources, there are limits to the extent to which vaccine development can be fast-tracked.
“Under the pressure of the pandemic, we have to carefully consider the balance of safety and speed,” said Kim of the IVI, which is working with a number of firms and public bodies on a vaccine.
“Vaccines are given to healthy people to keep them healthy, and vaccine developers must ensure that safety is not compromised. The absence of information on SARS-CoV-2 or Covid-19 itself further highlights this responsibility.”
Such safety considerations are not an abstract concern. In the late 1970s, the US government’s rushed roll-out of a vaccination programme to immunise the population against a novel strain of swine flu resulted in more than 450 people developing Guillain-Barré syndrome, a rare disorder that causes paralysis.
One scientist at a multinational vaccine institute said the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine would face a “safety hurdle” because of how the virus affects older people more severely than the young.
“A new virus in a population typically causes more severe disease in individuals with natural prior exposure to something similar,” said the scientist.
“[This is] one hypothesis as to why older people have [been more severely hit]. This occurs when someone has prior exposure to a similar virus – there are other common coronaviruses – and the resulting immune response causes the next encounter with a similar virus to be more severe. This phenomenon has been seen with other diseases such as dengue.”
The scientist added: “Because of this possibility, any vaccine will be scrutinised to be certain it will not cause more severe disease.”
Unanswered questions about the nature of the virus – including definitive proof that those who are infected gain immunity – could also complicate development.
“Upper respiratory tract viruses without a blood-borne infection phase have not to date been successfully targeted by vaccines,” said Frazer. “On the plus side, this appears to be a relatively stable virus, not like flu or HIV where the virus changes quickly.”
In a possible breakthrough, a team of South Korean scientists announced on Friday they had successfully mapped out the architecture of the virus’ RNA genome for the first time, potentially aiding vaccine development.
Even so, most experts believe that a usable vaccine is at least 12 to 18 months away, with many arguing that even that time frame is wildly optimistic and unrealistic.
Offit said many people underestimated the enormous challenge of producing a vaccine on a mass scale.
“The research is the easy part,” said Offit, who is sceptical any vaccine can be rolled out within 18 months. “The hard part is the research of development because you have to do proof-of-concept studies. You have to have the right buffering agent, the right stabilising agent.
“The flaw in the system is that far fewer companies are doing it. In 1955, there were 27 companies that made vaccines. By 1980, there were 18, today there are four.”
Gilbert said she believed her team can best expectations – their “highly ambitious” goal relies on adapting a previously used vaccine delivery system and manufacturing vaccines concurrently with clinical trials – but only with a major rethink of research funding that offers quick and flexible support for work such as hers.
“We don’t have an organisation that is ready to deal with the pandemic,” Gilbert said. “We now need to be thinking about flexibility of funding on a much larger scale because we need to be able to go fast.” ■
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2020.04.05 07:52 sonic10158 I made a list of content from the current wave of Boxsets and whether DGM sells them [Part 2]

I made a list of content from the current wave of Boxsets and whether DGM sells them [Part 2]
This is the second half of my list of content from the various King Crimson box sets, as all in one list was too much for one post. You can find Part one of the list here.

THRAK BOX

THRAK BOX
After the end of their 1984 tour, Robert Fripp decided that he had played enough King Crimson and so once again, King Crimson saw a hiatus. However by the mid 1990's, Fripp decided to purchase the Double Trio season pass for King Crimson, which featured the Pat Mastelotto and the Trey Gunn DLCs to go along with the King Crimson lineup of the 1980s. This box set covers this relatively short era. The Box Set was released on October 30, 2015. WARNING: This set is a bit more confusing in terms of what is on DGM Live and What isn't, so I apologize for any confusion.
CD Content-
  1. JurassiKc THRAK - Not on DGM Live
    1. This is a disc containing one track that is 67 minutes long of recording sessions during the making of THRAK. There is a small 4 minute piece available on DGM Live, but that is such a small piece that I do not even consider JurassiKc THRAK as being on DGM Live.
  2. Maximum VROOOM - *Sort of Available on DGM Live*
    1. This is a disc that does not match up with anything DGM has to offer exactly. This is an expanded version of the VROOOM EP, which is on DGM Live for Purchase. However, the rest of the tracks are taken from the VROOOM Sessions album, which is also on DGM Live for Purchase. That being said, VROOOM Sessions has a lot of tracks that do not appear on Maximum VROOOM, nor this box set in any capacity.
  3. THRAK - Original mix (2002 Remaster)
  4. ATTAKcATHRAK (The Vicar's THRAK) - Not on DGM Live
    1. This is a spiritual successor to THRaKaTTaK. It is an all new compilation of improvisations taken from the THRAK era and edited together into a suite of tracks
  5. THRAK - 2015 mix
  6. Byte-Size THRAK - Only a small piece is on DGM Live
    1. This is a compilation of tracks that didn't really fit anywhere else, featuring various live tracks, a single, some edited tracks, a remix, and 3 rehearsals (Jimmy Bond, Sad Woman Jam, and Tony's Jam) that do appear in DGM Live as part of Nashville Rehearsals. If you purchase Nashville Rehearsals, similar with the VROOOM Sessions, you will be getting a lot of tracks that do not appear anywhere in this box set.
  7. Kcensington THRAK - Available on DGM Live Here
    1. The version on DGM Live is short one track, goes by a completely different name, and the way the tracks are laid out are a bit different. The box set has the first portion be 9 tracks and the second be 12 tracks, whereas on DGM Live, the first "disc" is 13 tracks and the second is 7 tracks. The song order is the same, minus the lack of Heartbeat between THRAK and Matte Kudasai. *Fun Fact, this concert takes place on Bill Bruford's Birthday, and Adrian Belew makes a point to sing about it in this concert*
  8. Kcensington THRAK - Second half of Disc 7's content
  9. New YorKc THRAK - Available on DGM Live Here
  10. New YorKc THRAK - Second Half of Disc 9's Content
  11. AzteKc THRAK - Not on DGM Live
  12. This is the entire setlist from the Mexico portion of the VROOOM VROOOM live album (the New YorKc THRAK discs are the complete setlist of the New York portion of it too). You can purchase a CD of VROOOM VROOOM on DGM USA and DGM UK, but the entire setlist is only available in this box set. Just note, if you purchase VROOOM VROOOM, you will only get roughly half of the content of AzteKc THRAK.
  13. AzteKc THRAK - Second Half of Disc 11's content
Blu-Ray Disc 1 Content
  1. THRaKaTTaK - Not on DGM Live
    1. This does not even have a store listing on DGM UK and the DGM USA page is listed as Sold Out. It does not appear under DGM Live as a digital purchase either.
  2. B'Boom - Not on DGM Live
    1. This is not available for digital purchase on DGM Live, and it does not even have a store listing on DGM UK. However the CD of it is available for purchase on DGM USA

Heaven & Earth

Heaven & Earth
To date, this is both the newest released Box Set as well as the most current box set, picking up where THRAK left off after King Crimson begun the fraKctalisation period in 1997 through the late 2000s. Here we see the ProjeKcts era as well as the ConstruKction of Light and The Power to Believe albums from King Crimson. This Box set was released on May 1, 2019 and has easily the most content of any of the box sets thus far.
Note: The ProjeKct album The Scarcity of Miracles was made after the time period of this box set (1997-2008) and therefore is not included in this set. Also, the first Blu-Ray disc has a mixing error causing certain albums to run at too fast a speed (noticeable, but not Alvin and the Chipmunk noticable), if you email DGM with proof of your purchase, they will send you a code to download replacements of all the affected content. Proof can either be a copy of the email you received from DGM when you purchased the boxset, or even a photograph of the boxset with your name next to it. I received my replacement content less than a week after emailing. The downloading worked the same way as if you purchase a tour from DGM Live.
CD Content-
  1. The ReConstruKction of Light - Not on DGM Live
    1. This is a new mix of The ConstruKction of Light featuring newly recorded drum tracks by Pat Mastelotto. If I could compare it to anything, it is like A Momentary Lapse of Reason remix from the Later Years box set by Pink Floyd that completely removed the 80's twang from it, making it a more timeless experience. It is not on DGM Live, however, you can purchase the CD on DGM UK or on DGM USA
  2. Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With / Level Five - Not on DGM Live
    1. Neither EP is available on DGM Live. HWWYHtbHW is not on DGM UK, but is on DGM USA. Level Five EP is also not on DGM UK, but is on DGM USA
  3. The Power to Believe
  4. ProjeKct Two Baltimore May 2, 1998 - Available on DGM Live Here
  5. ProjeKct Four San Francisco November 2, 1998 - Available on DGM Live Here*
    1. This is 2 tracks short of what DGM Live has. The concert is also on Blu-Ray disc 1 and features the whole setlist.
  6. ProjeKct Three Austin March 23, 1999 - Available on DGM Live Here
  7. King Crimson Live ConstruKction - Not on DGM Live
    1. Originally part of the video Eyes Wide Open DVD on DGM USA and DGM UK
  8. King Crimson Live ConstruKction - Second third of Disc 8 content
  9. King Crimson Live ConstruKction - Third third of Disc 8 content
  10. King Crimson San Diego August 15, 2001 - Available on DGM Live Here
  11. King Crimson New Haven December 9, 2001 - Available on DGM Live Here
  12. King Crimson New Haven December 9, 2001 - second half of Disc 12 content
  13. King Crimson EleKtriK, Live in Japan, 2003 - Not on DGM Live
  14. CD Not on DGM UK, but is on DGM USA
  15. King Crimson New Haven November 16, 2003 - Available on DGM Live Here
  16. King Crimson New Haven November 16, 2003 - Second half of Disc 15 content
  17. King Crimson New York August 14-17, 2008 - Not on DGM Live
  18. King Crimson New York August 14-17, 2008 - Second half of disc 17 content
Blu-ray Disc 1 Content *This is the disc with speed issues* - The ProjeKcts Vol. I
  1. ProjeKct One: December 1, 1997 The Jazz Cafe, London - Available on DGM Live Here
  2. ProjeKct One: December 2, 1997 The Jazz Cafe, London - Available on DGM Live Here
  3. ProjeKct One: December 3, 1997 The Jazz Cafe, London - Available on DGM Live Here
  4. ProjeKct One: December 4, 1997 The Jazz Cafe, London - Available on DGM Live Here
  5. ProjeKct Three: March 21, 1999 Electric Lounge, Austin - Available on DGM Live Here
  6. ProjeKct Three: March 22, 1999 Cactus Cafe, Austin - Available on DGM Live Here
  7. ProjeKct Three: March 23, 1999 Cactus Cafe, Austin - Available on DGM Live Here
  8. ProjeKct Three: March 24, 1999 Poor David's, Dallas - Available on DGM Live Here
  9. ProjeKct Three: March 25, 1999 Antone's, Austin - Not on DGM Live
  10. ProjeKct Four: October 23, 1998 Fox Theatre, Boulder - Available on DGM Live Here
  11. ProjeKct Four: October 24, 1998 Fox Theatre, Boulder - Available on DGM Live Here
  12. ProjeKct Four: October 27, 1998 Richard's on Richards, Vancouver - Available on DGM Live Here
  13. ProjeKct Four: October 28, 1998 The Fenix, Seattle - Available on DGM Live Here
  14. ProjeKct Four: October 30, 1998 Crystal Ballroom, Portland - Available on DGM Live Here
  15. ProjeKct Four: November 1, 1998 7th Note, San Francisco - Available on DGM Live Here
  16. ProjeKct Four: November 2, 1998 7th Note, San Francisco - Available on DGM Live Here
  17. ProjeKct Six: October 5, 2006 Berklee Performance Centre, Boston - Available on DGM Live Here
  18. ProjeKct Six: October 6, 2006 Nokia Theatre, New York - Available on DGM Live Here
  19. ProjeKct Six: October 7, 2006 Keswick Theatre, Glenside - Available on DGM Live Here
  20. ProjeKct Six: October 8, 2006 State Theatre, Falls Church - Available on DGM Live Here
  21. ProjeKct Two: Space Groove - Not on DGM Live
  22. CD available on DGM USA and DGM UK
  23. ProjeKct One: Live at the Jazz Cafe - Not on DGM Live
  24. Disc One of The ProjeKcts Box. Neither this nor the ProjeKct Box is on UK or USA DGM.
  25. ProjeKct Two: Live Groove - Not on DGM Live
  26. Disc Two of The ProjeKcts Box. Same as Disc 22.
  27. ProjeKct Three: Masque - Available on DGM Live Here
  28. Disc Three of The ProjeKcts Box. Same as Disc 22 and 23.
  29. ProjeKct Four: West Coast Live - Available on DGM Live Here
  30. Disc Four of The ProjeKcts Box. Same as discs 22-24
  31. ProjeKct One: Jazz Cafe Suite - Not on DGM Live
  32. CD sold out on DGM USA. Store page does not exist on DGM UK
  33. ProjeKct X: Heaven & Earth - Not on DGM Live
  34. CD on DGM USA. Not on DGM UK.
  35. BPM&M: XtraKcts & ArtifaKcts - Not on DGM Live
  36. Not on DGM USA nor DGM UK
  37. Rieflin, Fripp, Gunn: The Repercussions of Angelic Behaviour - Not on DGM Live
  38. Not on DGM USA nor DGM UK
Blu-Ray Disc 2 Content - The ProjeKcts Vol. II
  • Every portion of this disc is from ProjeKct Two
  1. February 18 & 19, 1998 Rehearsals, Studio Belew - Available on DGM Live Here
  2. February 20, 1998 The Cannery, Nashville - Available on DGM Live Here
  3. March 18, 1998 Ventura Theatre, Ventura - Available on DGM Live Here
  4. March 20, 1998 Palookaville, Santa Cruz - Available on DGM Live Here
  5. March 21, 1998 Great American Music Hall, San Francisco - Available on DGM Live Here
  6. March 22, 1998 Great American Music Hall, San Francisco - Available on DGM Live Here
  7. March 24, 1998 House of Blues, Los Angeles - Available on DGM Live Here
  8. April 7, 1998 Diamond Hall, Nagoya - Available on DGM Live Here
  9. April 8, 1998 Heart Beat, Osaka - Available on DGM Live Here
  10. April 9, 1998 Blitz, Tokyo - Available on DGM Live Here
  11. April 10, 1998 Blitz, Tokyo - Available on DGM Live Here
  12. April 16, 1998 The Jazz Club, London - Available on DGM Live Here
  13. April 18, 1998 Ronnie Scott's, Birmingham - Available on DGM Live Here
  14. April 19, 1998 Ronnie Scott's , Birmingham - Available on DGM Live Here
  15. May 1, 1998 9.30 Club, Washington D.C. - Available on DGM Live Here
  16. May 3, 1998 Ballroom at the Bellevue, Philadelphia - Available on DGM Live Here
  17. May 4, 1998 Toad's Place, New Haven - Available on DGM Live Here
  18. May 6, 1998 Irving Plaza, New York - Available on DGM Live Here
  19. May 7, 1998 Irving Plaza, New York - Available on DGM Live Here
  20. May 8, 1998 Valentine's, Albany - Available on DGM Live Here
  21. May 9, 1998 Inter-Media Arts Centre, Huntington - Available on DGM Live Here
  22. May 30, 1998 Bogart's, Cincinatti - Available on DGM Live Here
  23. May 31, 1998 Newport Music Hall, Columbus - Available on DGM Live Here
  24. June 1, 1998 I.C. Light Music Tent, Pittsburgh - Available on DGM Live Here
  25. June 2, 1998 Odeon, Cleveland - Available on DGM Live Here
  26. June 4, 1998 Park West, Chicago - Available on DGM Live Here
  27. June 5, 1998 Park West, Chicago - Available on DGM Live Here
  28. June 7, 1998 Majestic Theatre, Detroit - Available on DGM Live Here
  29. June 28, 1998 Somerville Theatre, Somerville - Available on DGM Live Here
  30. June 30, 1998 Old Lantern, Charlotte - Available on DGM Live Here
  31. July 1, 1998 Pearl Streetm Northampton - Available on DGM Live Here
  32. July 3, 1998 The Stephen Talkhouse, Amagansett - Available on DGM Live Here
  33. July 6, 1998 The Guvernment, Toronto - Available on DGM Live Here
  34. July 8, 1998 Metropolis, Montreal - Available on DGM Live Here
Blu-Ray Disc 3 Content
  1. Live at the Shepherd's Bush Empire, London, July 3, 2000 - Available on DGM Live Here
  2. EleKtriK, Live at Kouseinenkin Kaikan, Tokyo April 16, 2003 - Not on DGM Live
    1. Same as CD Disc 13, but with 2 additional tracks (The ConstruKction of Light and The Deception of the Thrush). This version is exclusive to Heaven & Earth.
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